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Gleaner Alphabet soup

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AllanC

11-10-2004 19:13:34




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Can someone briefly enumerate the differences in the lettered combines from the 70's and 80's. I'm confused!




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ewbeye

11-16-2004 11:18:23




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to AllanC, 11-10-2004 19:13:34  
You have to remember that Badwin pull type combines were back in the 1920s and Gleaner purchased Badwin so they had the first pick of letters or numbers for those models. Aside from that though, there is some sense to the lettering of models which followed. Here"s how.

Gleaner had their main self propelled combines started in the 1950s with the model A which was a 30" cylinder and had straw walkers, Model R which used a Raddle instead of Walkers, Model AB which was a rice version of the model A, Model AH was a hillside model A, and the Model T [T2 2 rows of soybeans or T3 3 rows of soybeans] which was a small version machine for smaller farms. It had a 23" cylinder. The T was only made in 1954.

In 1960, the model C with its 40" cylinder sufficed the larger farmers. It had different versions as a CR [rice], CT [tracks], and CH [hillside].

In 1962, the model E replaced the model T. It had a 27" cylinder and 3 straw walkers and was perfect for small farms. 2 row corn or 8-10-12foot platforms were available. They built over 21,000 of them from 1962-1968. The 1968 model was named the model EIII because the E had some improvements during 1964-66? and although it was still a model E, some referred to it as a model EII. Hence the Model EIII in 1968 - only year built.

In 1964-67, the AII and CII were introduced improved versions of the A and C. Better cabs and more cleaning area, plus bigger grain tanks.

Now in 1968, They had the EIII and want to expand from the AII and CII, so gleaner introduced the model F, model G. The F was a 37" cylinder and replaced the model AII while the G had a 44" cylinder and replaced the CII. The model G was produced until 1972. There was an FR [rice] and a GH [hillside].

The model K replaced the model EIII in 1969. It sported the GM 250 6 cylinder engine with a better cab and slightly larger grain tank. It was produced until 1976.

The model L replaced the model G in 1972. 48" cylinder with open concave and was filled with electronic age items and a newly designed cab for better comfort. In 1973, the model M followed the L for smaller customers. It had a 40" cylinder with all the comforts of the L. It also had a Hillside [M hillside] version and a hydro transmission version called the MH.

In 1977, 2 series came out for the K2, F2, M2, and L2. The K2 and F2 shared the Allis 4 cylinder 200cu in diesel engine or GM 250 for the K2 or GM 292 for the F2. They also got the new styled cabs like the L/M had back in 1972. The M2 and L2 shared the 301 or 426 diesel engines doing away with the GM 350 v8 engines. Cleaning capacities were made larger on all models in 1978.

In 1983, gleaner celebrated its 60th year, so add the 3 series models F3, M3, and L3. There were not any K3"s.

In 1978, the N6 made its appearance as the first rotary combine followed by the N5 and N7 in 1979 until 1985 when Allis Chalmers was bought out by Duetz.

Duetz-Allis made the R series combines; R5,R6, and R7. Later AGCO, Allis Gleaner Company, which is still in business today have the R50, R52, R60, C60, R62, R65, R72, and R75. Correct me if I"m wrong on the AGCO models?

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IHC Red

11-22-2004 00:42:01




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 Thanks for the history lesson. in reply to ewbeye, 11-16-2004 11:18:23  
Always been confused about the chronology.



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dwm

11-11-2004 19:59:48




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to AllanC, 11-10-2004 19:13:34  
I thought the K replaced the E, which was the small one for years--10 ft and 2-row. Also, I don't think the N series came along until the 80s.



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Butch(OH)

11-10-2004 20:27:19




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to AllanC, 11-10-2004 19:13:34  
As far as conventionals the K was the small one 10-12'(all grain table sizes are approx) table, 2-3 rows in corn. F was next 12-14' tables 3-4 rows in corn. Then model M with 14-16' tables and 4-6 rows in corn. Biggest was the L at 6-8 rows in corn and 20' tables. Prior series was models A(replaced by K) C (replaced by F) and G (replaced by M) Each newer madel was a bit bigger capacity than what it replaced. In the rotories they had models N5, N6 and N7 Dont know much about them except the first 12 row corn head I ever saw was on an N7 at the farm science review in the mid-70s

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paul

11-11-2004 16:30:44




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to Butch(OH), 11-10-2004 20:27:19  
I was just thinking about this the other day - anyone know how or why they picked such seemingly random letters for their models?

--->Paul



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AllanC

11-11-2004 17:08:10




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to paul, 11-11-2004 16:30:44  
Thanks, That helps, Now when did they add the 1's and 2's. Like Paul says, It seems kinda random.



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paul

11-13-2004 07:21:51




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to AllanC, 11-11-2004 17:08:10  
In the F line, the FII came out in 1977. However it was very similar to the F. In 78 they made a longer seperator & other improvements (hyd auger fold, etc) but still called it an FII. So, their is really a bigger difference between a 77 & 78 & up F2 than there is a difference beween a 77 F2 and a slightly older F.

The F3 had electric over hydraulic controls as one of the biggests features, not sure when that came out.

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

11-13-2004 07:41:09




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to paul, 11-13-2004 07:21:51  
The serial number break for the F2 was at 39201. Prior to that, the F2 was not much different than the F- same length shoe, etc. I think the M2 had a couple of number breaks, since I have operator manuals with two different numbers on the front covers, and the machines they came with are only about 500 numbers apart.



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Tim(nj)

11-13-2004 13:43:01




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to JMS/MN, 11-13-2004 07:41:09  
The 1976 F and the 1977 F2 differ mainly in the cab. Didn"t the F diesel use a naturally-aspirated 6-cyl, and the F2 diesel used a turbo and intercooled 4-cyl?
I think the standard lift cylinders for the head are bigger diameter on the x2 machines. There"s also a few more features in the x2 Tattletale monitors.

F3 came out in 1983. The ultimate 4-row conventional Gleaner. You could get factory RWA with an F3 if it had the hydrostatic transmission in it. The F3s still fetch premium prices around here if they"ve been taken care of properly.

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Can't even use my name

11-14-2004 18:55:28




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to Tim(nj), 11-13-2004 13:43:01  
Not sure what year our F2 was but I do know it had a 6 cylinder non turbo engine. Seems like it was a '77 but not sure.



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paul

11-14-2004 20:01:00




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to Can't even use my name, 11-14-2004 18:55:28  
Same here, my F2 '77 is non-turbo 6cyl.

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

11-13-2004 22:13:59




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to Tim(nj), 11-13-2004 13:43:01  
My '79 F2 diesel is a turbo, don't think it is intercooled, but a good running 95hp engine. Fuel efficient, runs about 1 gal per acre. Lift cylinders may very well be fatter, since you can actually run a 6 row head, although WHY? Ground speed will be very slow, and I like the F2 with 28 inch wide tires on a 4-30 head, total weight is about 14,000, and rolls through mud when you can keep up the ground speed! Right- F3 came out in '83, and they are scarce around here. Had more electric controls for bean heads, etc. Good size machine for family farms.

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JMS/MN

11-11-2004 23:29:38




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to AllanC, 11-11-2004 17:08:10  
II and III were improvements over the original models, while staying within the same basic model styles. Seperator width, corn head options, etc. Corn Specials were ones with optional equipment like steel feeder beater fingers, guides, etc., different raddle chains, walker risers, etc.



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Averyman

11-26-2004 19:50:55




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to JMS/MN, 11-11-2004 23:29:38  
One of the better changes in the L-2 to L-3 Models is that they went from the Roosa Master injection system to the Bosh system which makes the L-3 virtually smokeless. We use 24 foot heads on our three machines.



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AllanC

11-15-2004 21:02:26




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 Re: Gleaner Alphabet soup in reply to JMS/MN, 11-11-2004 23:29:38  
L2 seems to be the common one in the wheat farming country.



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