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Chuck

08-19-2000 16:36:47




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I'm curious, is a combine used to threash sunflowers? If not what is used. If there isn't to much exotic equipment needed I might try growing some sunflowers. I know that they grow them here in Kansas but the necessary equipment has me wondering if a small operation would be feasible. Thanks, Chuck




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john d

08-26-2000 23:34:55




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
We had one experience at growing oilseed sunflowers here in central Indiana about 20 years ago. Some of the best fun we ever had with a crop, but no money as the plant we were going to send them to was shut down about 3 weeks before harvest. We trucked them to Duluth, and the net $$ were a loss on that crop.
We harvested them with my cousin's IH 615 on which we installed a "Headsnatcher" unit from MN. That little combine ate those plants with absolutely no problems.

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SDman

08-26-2000 12:31:16




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
Chuck, we've raised sunflowers here in central SD for 20 years & they only way I have seen them harvested are with a combine. As far as the headers used, I've seen about 5 different types. 1)The JD All-Crop header is most common unless you deal with different row widths. 2)Westward Sunmasters, which are a newer version of the All-Crop head. Both of these styles look like a corn head, but instead of stripper plates they use a rotary knife setup that cuts the heads off the stalks. 3)Sunflower pans, which are little 9" or 12" snouts mounted on a grain head that usually has the reel removed & some sort of a drum used in its place to feed the flowers into the auger. 4)Lee-Way or 3-Way heads, which are wide snouts fitted to a grain head that uses augers to feed the crop to the header instead of gathering chains/belts. 5)Corn-sols, which are knives fitted to a regular corn head to chop heads off of the stalks. They all have advantages & disadvantages. One thing about a sunflower combine, most of the threshing parts do not have to be in very good condition(cylinder bars & concaves) as flowers thrash VERY easy. Usually you try to get them through the combine as quick as possible as when the stalks break up(they are very brittle), they tend to make the cleaning system(fan & seives) work harder to get a clean sample. As far as fires, flowers do have a bad reputation, but its something that you need to be aware of when dealing with ANY oilseed(soybeans, 'flowers, canola). Any combine CAN & WILL burn if it is not cleaned off periodically when harvesting oilseeds. Worst thing about working on a sunflower combine is that it feels like you are working inside a chimney. Good luck, & if you need more info, just let me know.

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Joel

08-25-2000 17:21:19




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
In my area there are thousands of acres of flowers, both the oil kind- bird seed and crushed for healthy cooking oil, and the confectionary kind, "spits". All crop header work great, and pans with a reel mounted on a straight header work fine too. Last year we had a few minor fires in combine caused by what is called white mold in the heads. The sunflower head falls apart when in touches the header and the dust is very easy to ignite. This is usally caused by poor rotation of crops. The price for oils has gone bad, so might be alot less acres next year. No extra wear on machines unless flowers really wet or diseased.

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JHEnt

08-20-2000 16:53:59




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
I've planted and combined small patches a couple of times. I used what are called milo guards on my grainhead. They consist of 3 rods per assembly. This assembly bolts under your sickle guard. The rods come out from underneath and curve up at the end to be alittle above the sickle in hight. From each rod end there are 2 wires which then come back over the sickle and spread out in a v shape. the stalks pass between the rods to be cut by the sickle. Any heads that fall forward or sideways land on the wires where the reel can then push them in the header.

In my little experience raising black oil type (bird feed) sunflowers, I have had little trouble from there on. The heads if dry thresh easily although the seed is very light. The worst part is getting the heads into the header.

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Ralph

08-20-2000 07:46:48




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
I have combined many 100s of acres of sunflowers with an 815 IH combine (fastest burning combine out) the dust must be cleaned off the machine sometimes several times a day. We used the Zach flower pans and they work good for the investment. About $100 for a used set. JD makes an all crop head that is real good. Combining isn't the big problem bugs, disease and black birds can be a biger problem. Talk to other growers in your area and see what problems they have. Ralph

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Jim

08-22-2000 07:35:32




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 Re: Re: Sunflowers in reply to Ralph, 08-20-2000 07:46:48  
The new winner of the fastest burning combine is the 9500 John Deere. One of our neighbors burned on 9500 up on sunflowers and did some major damage to an other. Our local John Deere dealer wouldn't let them combine the rest of the sunflowers with the second combine he leased. So he got an other neighbor to finish with his 7720.



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Tom from Ontario

08-19-2000 19:37:51




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 Re: Sunflowers in reply to Chuck, 08-19-2000 16:36:47  
Yes, you use a combine, but if you have any number of acres to do, look for descriptions of modified headers. Some are grain headers with a HUGE reel and extended fingers to catch the heads as they are cut. The heads must be dry and the seed must be treated gently. Damage the hull and your product is landfill. Use your combine manual and/or talk to someone who knows how it's done.



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jakee

08-19-2000 20:02:43




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 Re: Re: Sunflowers in reply to Tom from Ontario, 08-19-2000 19:37:51  
sunflowers are called combine killer,s



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paul

08-19-2000 20:41:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Sunflowers in reply to jakee, 08-19-2000 20:02:43  
They always talk about 'sunflower pans' on a grain head.

The sharp dry sunflower hulls are hard on the metal of a combine.

There is a fuzz flying around that can collect on machinery & causes fires if you aren't careful.

--->Paul



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