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Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation?

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Allan In NE

11-07-2007 03:39:13




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Okay, have I got this straight?

When the F2 Corn/Soybean/Specials changed from the 6 cylinder engine to the 4-Turbo along with the powered unloading auger change, this is when they also went to the long tailed walkers.

Everything prior to this was just more or less a fancy old F.

Is this right?

Allan




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JMS/.MN

11-07-2007 19:57:00




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 03:39:13  
Gotta go by the serial numbers to get the right shoe and walkers. 39201 is the first of the long shoe, like the others said. Also when the hydraulic unload auger was an option. My F2 has all that, SN 40400, 1979. 95 hp 4 cyl turbo diesel. If you want, I can measure the length of the walkers and get back to you. When I got walkers a couple years ago, I knew the measurement by heart- dumbed up since then!

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Allan In NE

11-08-2007 04:23:31




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to JMS/.MN, 11-07-2007 19:57:00  
Naw,

That's fine; think you fellas have pretty much cleared it up.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that my machine must have been some two years "enroute" when new. Dealers do jockey that iron around from lot to lot.

Just betcha that it is an older '77 rather than a '79 like I thought. I'll see if I can dig up the serial number.

For sure, after those long tails started showing up, there were no more short tails.

Thanks Guys,

Allan

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Doug in IL

11-07-2007 19:52:44




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 03:39:13  
Allan, Have you tried asking the guys at the allischalmersdotcom forum these questions? There are some real experts on combines on that forum. I think the Four cylinder started in the 1978 model year also.



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Doug in IL

11-07-2007 16:25:03




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 03:39:13  
The long walker started with combine serial number 39201. That was also the beginning of the 1978 model year. At least that's what my aftermarket parts book says.



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Allan In NE

11-07-2007 16:50:44




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Doug in IL, 11-07-2007 16:25:03  
So,

If that's the case, all F2s have the long walkers? 'Cause 39201 is the first of the F2s, isn't it?

Wonder what the deal is on those 4 cylinder outfits? It would seem that the tail on them is even longer yet from all outside appearances.

Like this 1980 model.

Allan

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cadet trooper

11-08-2007 16:24:11




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 16:50:44  
Allen, that looks like a standard machine because the corn soybean and cornplus had hyd swing augers as part of the option in the newer version of the F2 and yes the longer cleaning shoe was the new update because they were saying now with six row capacity (maybe in my opinion in 100bpa)better check serial numbers because some dealers (heaven forbid had some machines that didn't sell in the model year but still considered new never been sold)I've been involved in transferring hold over machines but tried to make sure the customer was aware because I guess I was too honest probably why I'm not in business anymore all colors do it just beware. CT

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Allan In NE

11-10-2007 09:49:42




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to cadet trooper, 11-08-2007 16:24:11  
Boy, I dunno.

Pretty darned sure that I paid for a Special. That's what's plastered all over it anyways. :>)

Allan

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Doug in IL

11-07-2007 19:31:39




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 16:50:44  
Serial number 36201 (thirty six) is the first F2. Those were 1977 models. 39201 (thirty nine) started the long walker machines-1978 model year. Longer walkers were evidently had a 183" separating length. I assume that's the length of the "pan".



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Allan In NE

11-08-2007 04:11:00




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Doug in IL, 11-07-2007 19:31:39  
Hello!

Okay, that's where I'm going wrong. Happens a lot at my age. :>)

Thanks,

Allan



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paul

11-07-2007 08:11:56




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 03:39:13  
The '77 F2 had a lot of changes, but yea it was a reworked F. The short shoe F2 is the 1977 model. They realized you could push more corn in the front so that it was coming out the back, so they put a longer shoe on it & made more of a corn machine out of it for 1978.

(That is a upper midwest corn farmer's view who owned a '69 F & '77 F2 tho, don't know if it holds up.)

--->Paul



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Allan In NE

11-07-2007 08:21:37




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to paul, 11-07-2007 08:11:56  
So,

Are you telling me that it can have the long walkers even tho it doesn't have that long "look" to it?

I "think" this is a '79 maybe? Can you tell by looking if it is the long or short walkered model?

All I know for sure is that it originally had the stand-ups and the screens on the walkers.

The reason I ask is that I'm dealing on another set of walkers via long distance. Just wanna make sure I'm buying the right gizmos.

Thanks,

Allan

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cadet trooper

11-09-2007 15:37:09




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 08:21:37  
Allen, this machine is missing an engine should be easy on fuel though HEHE but notice the fuel tank looks like it is near the back versus the alledged 1980 model location versus the tail. This picture sure looks like an F to me.



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cadet trooper

11-10-2007 16:08:43




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to cadet trooper, 11-09-2007 15:37:09  
OK Allen, you've got my head spinning faster than those flash cards in grade school remember those? Anyway you've put up three pictures of F series combines I'm assuming the one with no engine and no letters on the grain bin is yours and another what a dealer told you is a 1980 model F-2 and a whatever year F series. First of all F series combine have been produced by AC since 1971 and have gone through many transitions and were produced through 1976 so what someone already said here is it's all about serial numbers so I don't know what year F you took a picture of again it has to do with what year that machine was made. If I was to take the time and find a late 76 F machine it would look like your F2 hopefully someone on here has one and can produce a picture and some of the first F's had the Buda engines also. Anyway how about those Huskers today? I'm in mourning for my Buckeyes:-(!CT

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Allan In NE

11-10-2007 06:29:00




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to cadet trooper, 11-09-2007 15:37:09  
Naw, it's an F2 short tail.

The late F and the early F2 are the exact same machine except they are totally different. How's that for being political? :>)

Look at the shape of the tail, look at the shape of the cab (no comparison inside and out), look at the lights. Exhaust on a F diesel exits out the side, on the F2 it exits upwards (6 cylinder).

The ladder is wider on the F2. F2 has the electric controls. F has a "stick" for a hydro lever; F2 has and nice contol handle. Gearshift, hydraulic and main control levers are completely different between the two machines.

F2 cost more. (Believe me!). :>)

Allan

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JMS/.MN

11-07-2007 21:23:34




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 08:21:37  
Looks short to me- notice in your two pix, this and the 1980....this combine has only one galv section behind the steering axle. 1980 has two, and extra black vertical angle iron frame like mine does. Noticed that the 1980 still has the manual fold auger. SN is the deciding factor.



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paul

11-07-2007 19:08:36




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 08:21:37  
I don't know if they made any changes along the way on the walkers.

The 1977 F2 walkers were short, like an F.

The 1978 and beyond walkers were longer.

My dealer is really good at looking up the compatable parts runs - from serial xxx to serial yyy are all the same part.... Have you bugged them? :)

--->Paul



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jm

11-07-2007 06:51:41




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 Re: Short Tail/Long Tail Confirmation? in reply to Allan In NE, 11-07-2007 03:39:13  
I believe that after 1977 the long tail was introduced, now in 1982 the f2 was outfitted with electric controls just like the f3, I beleive they called it the golden harvest edition or something like that. early f2,1977 did look like a plain f to me. I am not sure when the 4 cyl came into play I thought you could get the 6 cyl up to 1979 but not sure.



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