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Allan In NE

10-17-2007 04:42:34




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Well, for darnit!

Bought this old A-430 corn head (for the second time) and am looking at what it is going to take to mount it to my current combine in the eventuality that I should ever raise corn again. :>)

Aside from the cylinder driven sheave and belt, will have to find that double drive sproket on the right side for sure; haven't counted the teeth on the combine counter shaft's left side yet.

How many teeth are normally on the header drive sproket of a late model F?

However, I distinctly remember from years gone by that the combine will need a set of rear weights to keep 'er on the ground and make for better steering.

Cross that bridge if and when I get to it, I guess.

Allan

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thomas leroy

10-21-2007 08:52:00




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 04:42:34  
I've go a set of the factory heavy wheels for a cornhead on the 'G' i'm parting out. It was setup for propane and is that is basicly all still there. since I no longer harvest my own stuff and sold my other "g's" this stuff is for sale, reasonable.



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cadet trooper

10-17-2007 16:35:00




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 04:42:34  
Sorry Allen can"t help you in the sprocket department and I"ve sold a ton of F-2"s but all were Corn Plus or KS machine with new cornheads and the kits for the switch were in a box in the cab when they arrived even though the cornhead came from LaPorte Ind. The only thing I can tell you is all of them had 4-30 and 4-38 cornheads with no rear weights now remember the F-2 length got changed in mid model when they went to the hyd swing auger so the leverage is different. We did have one goofball running a 6-30 cornhead on his but he could"ve used rear weights. A six row head weighs roughly 1400# more than a 4-30. The first F2 I sold was like yours (short tail) and he runs a 4-30 all the time with no weights.I just wish I could remember because I was on top of my game in those days I probably could have quoted you AC part numbers in those days to make the change.CT

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Farmall Nut

10-17-2007 14:32:51




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 04:42:34  
The head will fit your F with no mods needed. I had a 1975 F with an old orange head and replaced it with an A430. It fit like a glove. The sprockets however I do not remember.



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Allan In NE

10-17-2007 15:14:51




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Farmall Nut, 10-17-2007 14:32:51  
Thanks for the verification.

I sure didn't remember any great big "boogie-man" differences between the two machines, but like I say, this ol' brain is down to runnin' on fumes at this late date. :>)

Allan



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JMS/.MN

10-17-2007 11:24:17




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 04:42:34  
I checked the op manual and parts book for your combo, F combine and 430 black head. Op manual disagrees with itself between pgs 79-85! One page says double 13 tooth on the left end of the countershaft, and a 13-16 tooth on the right. 16 would drive the feeder beater, 13's drive the corn head. Also says on a non-variable speed header drive to use 16T-25T, but that's on wide row heads, no mention of 30 inch heads. Remember discussion about a week ago, fellow thought his head was going too fast? Was running with 25T on the combine. Cornhead Parts book says this for a 430 on an F: double 13T on the left, 13-15T on the right. I have a parts F that used to have a wide head on it- checked the countershaft and it has 25T on it. I run an orange head on the F2, it has the 13T driving the head.

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Allan In NE

10-17-2007 14:14:15




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to JMS/.MN, 10-17-2007 11:24:17  
Yes Sir,

I was gonna visit with you about that.

The gear that is on the combine's right side now is a 15 or 16 tooth, 50-chain (I think) for the feeder beater--and that's it. I’ll have to find that double sprocket for that side.

No variable and 60-chain on the left to drive the header. I'll have to count those teeth, but it is a small dude.

I just can't remember on my F2 of there ever being a "double" sprocket on the left. Just hooked up where I normally would for the grain table. Fact is, I don’t remember there being a double left-side sprocket on an earlier F with the orange head either.

That’s been a long time ago tho, so I claim dementia on this one. :>)

What would the "other" sprocket be for on the left side? A laterial spacing issue?

Allan

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JMS/.MN

10-18-2007 22:55:32




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 14:14:15  
Had another thought- that is always dangerous! You can build that double sprocket with weld-a-sprockets, rather than paying the AGCO price. Put the hubs on a shaft with the standard keyway- just to get proper alignment. I can measure mine to give you the distance between centers of the sprockets..... ....machine or grind to get the right dimension. Then weld them together. Countershaft has, I think- a milled flat where a setsrew bottoms out to hold the sprocket. Drill and tap that spot for a half-inch setscrew, and you should be good to go. Might have been the way I did it when I put the 430 head on the F2..... I'm kind of cheap when it comes to buying parts.

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JMS/.MN

10-18-2007 22:53:31




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 14:14:15  
Had another thought- that is always dangerous! You can build that double sprocket with weld-a-sprockets, rather than paying the AGCO price. Put the hubs on a shaft with the standard keyway. I can measure mine to give you the distance between centers of the sprockets..... ....machine or grind to get the right dimension. Then weld them together. Countershaft has, I think- a milled flat where a setsrew bottoms out to hold the sprocket. Drill and tap that spot for a half-inch setscrew, and you should be good to go. Might have been the way I did it when I put the 430 head on the F2..... I'm kind of cheap when it comes to buying parts.

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JMS/.MN

10-18-2007 17:32:12




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 14:14:15  
Here's a thought on why a dble sprocket on the left side- your comment about lateral spacing....the bean and grain platforms are driven by the 13T, while the 25T would drive the wide corn head. 25T on the right has the 25T to the outside, like on the left side of the countershaft- the 25T is to the outside. Both would be driving the corn head. BTW, I wouldn't be surprised if my junk pile, errrrh, inventory management area, wouldn't have that dble you need.

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JMS/.MN

10-18-2007 16:03:23




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 14:14:15  
My F2 has the double sprocket on the left side, 13T and 25T. 25 does not get used, but when I bought it, it had previously had a wide 4 row black head- and like I said in the previous message, the parts book lists a 25T sprocket driving wide heads. I don't understand the difference in mounting packages- why narrow heads use the 13T and the wide heads use the 25T. I remember having to switch the sprocket on the right side when I put that 430 orange head on. Obviously had a 25T on the right to drive the wide corn head. I've switched heads from F to F2 with no issues regarding throat width, spacing, etc. However, the F straw chopper does not mount on the F2. Slight difference in width so had to buy a new one for the F2.

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IaGary

10-17-2007 05:16:39




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 04:42:34  
Not real familiar with the gleaners but did they change head setups that much that a head from an early f will not fit an f2.

IH kept the same quick tach design from about 1972 thru 2002 and maybe longer.

A 863 corn head that would fit a 815 in 72 will fit a 2366 built in 2002.

They have upgraded the heads {863, 963, 1063, and now the 22?? series) all 6 row 30", but the hookup has remained the same.

Gary

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Allan In NE

10-17-2007 05:25:54




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to IaGary, 10-17-2007 05:16:39  
Aw, I dunno.

That's the trouble with buying this old worn out junk. Ya never know what wrench has turned what.

When I bought the combine, the first thing I did was clean all the old cobs, stalks, silks and "trash" out of the walkers and shoe.

Now, I see that there isn't even a corn header drive gear on the old phart. What's up with that story anyways? :>)

Allan



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Rich Va

10-17-2007 05:54:42




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Allan In NE, 10-17-2007 05:25:54  
I saw two case/ih combines yesterday with john deere corn heads. Some of farmers have been using that combination around here for the last thirty years.



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Joe in the snow

10-17-2007 18:33:48




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 Re: Old Gleaner and Corn in reply to Rich Va, 10-17-2007 05:54:42  
Same deal around here. JD combine base units wore out long before their cornheads. When the farmers upgraded to Case IH rotary combines they kept their JD cornheads and just bought an adapter.



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