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Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines?

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AJZ

07-21-2001 16:03:50




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I have decided after long debate that i am going to go with a rotary combine. My question is what one is the most suitable for my needs. I farm by myself and do 1250+- acre total of crops. It would be about 550+- of corn 450+- of soybeams and 250+- of wheat. Right now i am thinking massey ferguson but would like to here some opinons. Please if you could keep the mudslinging too a minimum. I would just like a reccomendation and some personal experiences. Thanks,
AJZ

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Jon

08-02-2001 04:48:18




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 Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to AJZ, 07-21-2001 16:03:50  
I would also reccommend a case IH. They were the first in the rotary combine buisness which means they have the most simple set up (because of pantents).



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Lee

07-24-2001 15:00:48




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 Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to AJZ, 07-21-2001 16:03:50  
We own a Massey 8590 same as the White 9720,and we like the way it performs. We also own a older White 9700.



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JOEL

07-22-2001 09:45:05




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 Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to AJZ, 07-21-2001 16:03:50  
If you want big capacity try a Gleaner. Had a 1680 IH that we liked but it burned along with our shed. Bought a Gleaner R7 at an auction reasonable and gained 2 to 3 mph with 8 row head. Only thing is had to learn how to set compared to the 1680. It was a real shocker to learn of the capacity of the Gleaner, this coming from a true IH man.



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Green Envy

07-21-2001 21:25:38




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 Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to AJZ, 07-21-2001 16:03:50  
Being a John Deere guy, I would naturally recommend a John Deere 9650 STS. However, they have been on the market for only a second harvest season, so I imagine there are still some bugs to be worked out. The Case rotarys are pretty reliable around here. What I would do is get the dealers of Massey, Case, John Deere, and the others to bring their combines to your farm so I could try one out for a day. Getting opinions from other farmers won't replace the personal experience you would get from trying one of those combines out for a day. Or you could go operate one at a neighbors farm or somewhere else.

MY ADVICE. TRY A PERTICULAR COMBINE OUR FIRST TO SEE WHICH ONE YOU LIKE. THEN GO FROM THERE.

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Maverick

08-29-2001 20:35:13




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 Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to Green Envy, 07-21-2001 21:25:38  
Whenever you ever consider to invest in a new rotary combine there is only ONE combine you can fully count on. First of all, count out the silver seeder Gleaner and the New Holland TR. Sure, I must admit that both these rotaries have excellent capacity, but it is not worth it because of the hours of maintenance that will hold back your harvest. You spend three hours in the field and the rest of the day in the shop on most days when dealing with Gleaners. Same with New Holland but they are even worse for getting parts. Both of these combines are to be avoided from the advice of almost any custom combiners.
Like I was saying, the one rotary to use is the 9650 STS John Deere. This was the first harvest that we used one and it was unbelievable. John Deeres of the past have been known to get walked on buy Gleaners in the field but the STS matches any R-62 capacity but has less grain loss, no maintenance what so ever, and more professional harvest conditions. That also goes for New Holland but even more so. We ran a 2388 Case for the last three years but it just didn't impress us. It doesn't hold as much in the hopper, it can't take in the crop half as fast, and still to much fixing. On our 2000, we replaced rotary veins, unloading auger, and a lot more that I blocked out of my head. I have nothing but good things to say about STS and I'm not being bias. I just finished harvest with 15 bushel canola with 36' swathes at an amazing 10+MPH. I would honestly recommend the STS John Deere first, then I guess Case, then if you are really extremely desperate, go for Gleaner and then New Holland.
Even those big new fancy New Hollands CR or whatever--typical New Holland, want to impress people so they just ad a bunch more junk. Anyway, that is my Prossional Advice. Long Live JD.

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FARMER BOY

07-22-2001 17:58:50




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 Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to Green Envy, 07-21-2001 21:25:38  
1420,1440,1460,1480 INTERNATIONAL COMBINES ARE VERY VERY GOOD COMBINES AND THEY WILL LAST YOU FOREVER AND THEY ARE SIMPLE COMBINES AND THEY ARE REAL EASY TO WORK ON IF YOU EVER NEED TO. WE HAD A 1460 FOR 4 YEARS AND IT TROULY NEVER BROKE DOWN BUT ONCE AND THAT WAS REAL SMALL. THE 1460 WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN USE A 4,5,6,8 RO CORN HEADS ON IT AND ALL THE WAY UP TO A 24' PLATFORMS AND THEY CAN HOLD ALOT OF GRAIN. IT HAS HYDROLIC STERRING WICH IS BETTER THAN POWER STEERING.IT WILL LAST YOU FOREVER IF YOU TREAT IT GOOD IT WILL LAST FOREVER AND IT WILL TREAT YOU GOOD.

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JOEL

07-23-2001 04:23:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to FARMER BOY, 07-22-2001 17:58:50  
I agree the IH rotaries are good but you must not have been around a Gleaner before. I too thought the 1680 had big capacity with a large grain tank but our R7 can go 7+ mph with an eight row head maybe faster but haven't dared try yet. And a 315 bu. grain tank without extensions I beleive is still unmatched today and the R7 is a 1986 model wich is a couple years older than our 1680 was. I'm not saying don't get an IH but the Gleaner will be cheaper to buy and easier to work on.

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FARMER BOY

07-23-2001 15:32:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-23-2001 04:23:44  
I BEG TO DIFFER OUR NABOR RENTS A NEW GLEANERR R-52 EACH YEAR AND IT ALWAY BREAKS DOWN EACK YEAR. I AM LOOKING A US-FARMER CLASSIFED ADDS AND A N-7 IS $12,000 WITH OUT HEADS AND THE 1460 IS $10,000 WITH A 20 FOOT BEAN HEAD AND A 8 ROW CORN HEAD. NOW WICH IS CHEPPER? OUR NABOR PUT NEWSHEVES IN THE BACK OF HIS GLEANER AND IT TOOK HIM A DAY TO FIX THEM. MY DAD PUT NEW SHEVES IN THE BACK OF HIS 1460 AND IT TOOK 30 MINETS AND THEN HE WAS BACK IT THE FIELD AGEN.I DO NOT MEAN TO BE BISREPCTIFEL NOW WICH IS CHEAPER AND WICHK IN HARDER TO WOUK ON

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JOEL

07-23-2001 17:16:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to FARMER BOY, 07-23-2001 15:32:16  
FARMER BOY, as far as prices go you can find deals on anything if you look but generally Gleaners are cheaper because of fewer dealers to support farmers. Also an N7 is a giant compared to a 1460. Now I've been a Gleaner owner for 8 years and now feel I should defend my combine. First, have you ever run a rock through your 1460? That's not a problem on the Gleaner. Second, its easier to replace the seives and rubber bushings. The rubber bushings don't have to be pressed out or torched. Third, I can operate on hills that gave our 1680's cleaning system quite a load because the Accelerator rolls and dual outlet cross flow fan on the Gleaner eliminated hill side problems. Fourth, besides the great capacity of the combine the Hugger head we have far out performs our old 1083 Case head. Fifth, you can sit down on the engine deck to replace rasp bars and then take a stroll around the engine there's so much room. I can remove my rotor in 10 to 15 minutes no lie. How fast can you remove your 1460 rotor even after you take the head off? I'm not scared to own another CASEIH rotary but have found very little reason to go back to them.

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farmer boy

07-24-2001 16:33:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-23-2001 17:16:52  
yes i have run a rock threw my 1460 all it did was make the combine do was lose a tooth on my straw choppers. we never had to take the rotor out of are combine because before we bought it they totaly redid the rotor at the dealership. or 1460 was great on hilside no lie we had hill side slates on our sheves and when we took the sheves out of are combine all we had to do was loosen the bolts and they slide right out. we put new rubber bushings on are combine one year and all we had to do was get chanel lock plyers and loosen them and they poped right out. we did not have a case corn head on our case all we had was a 643 john deere corn head and we had no prolbem with capacity. could your bean head pick up flattened soybeans going 4 and a half miles an hour. i have been in a n-7 and we got into flat beans and all it did was miss and slug up but it got them harvested good going 2 miles an hour. i was using a 2388 with a 30 foot bean head and we were going 14 miles an hourc cutting soybeans. i respec your standing up for your combine but i am standing up for my old one to. around our town all we manily have are international,and john deere ,new hollands the only gleaners we have around here are g,f.a,L2 s.could your gleaner cut beans at 12.pm when it was raing?

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JOEL

07-24-2001 21:03:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to farmer boy, 07-24-2001 16:33:37  
Those bushings never come out that easy on an IH or JD unlessthe arms are worn out. My old 1680 couldn't keep up with my neighbors N5 let alone my R7. If you were having trouble picking up beans then the head needed adjusting. Did you know the reel for most combines are made by the same company? And my Gleaner head has 6" of float while I read my 1680 book once where it claimed only 4" of cutter bar float. To demonstrate part of the reason for Gleaners big capacity take a pencil a roll up a string on it holding the pencil pointing straight ahead and the string ahead of the pencil. It's not easy. Now hold the pencil pointing to your left or right and the string out in front of it. It's without a dought easier to do the second way which is the Gleaner way. Also I noticed that Case offer a cleaning fan that looks just like one out of most any Gleaner built after 1971. That fan is another reason for Gleaner capacity but Case still hasn't figured out how to use it because they don't preclean the grain with it. Other features the R7 has over the 1680 is a nice big sun visor, power fold ladder, variable speed corn head and hydraulic feeder reverser instead of electric. Also the frame is thicker and the rear axle actually stays on unlike many CaseIH's. I've owned both and am not biased but nobody has showed me why I should go back to CaseIH when it comes to combines. I've fixed both too and the Gleaner is easier to work on hands down.

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famrer boy

07-25-2001 14:00:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-24-2001 21:03:40  
i have drove alot of gleaners and they are jjjjj jjjjj jjuuuuu uuuuu uuuuu uunnnnn nnnnn nkkkkk kkkkk kkkkk kkkk!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!! but some arnt i would bye a gleaner if i could not find a 1460 or a 7700 [john deere] or 660



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JOEL

07-25-2001 16:42:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to famrer boy, 07-25-2001 14:00:55  
Farmer BOY (I stress BOY)my R7 must be special because it beats my old 1680 in about every catagory.



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farmer boy

07-27-2001 07:47:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-25-2001 16:42:18  
my 40 john deere could beat your combine into the ground and i have been drove more combines than you could evan think of.



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JOEL

07-27-2001 16:57:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to farmer boy, 07-27-2001 07:47:13  
I am only telling the truth. I'm sick of this child's play.



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farmer boy

07-30-2001 15:04:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-27-2001 16:57:55  
take you pills your not thinking righ about gleaners because you are always outside working on it.



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JOEL

07-31-2001 17:45:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to farmer boy, 07-30-2001 15:04:57  
I'm new at this sight and don't know everyone here so I would like to offer my apologies if I offended you earlier. I know JD and CaseIH make fine machines and I'm sure your IH combine has been a very good unit. I was just being arguementive and should know better. I read an earlier post of yours and noticed that you are 12 years old. You sure know more about combines than I did when I was 12. It's nice to see young people show such interest in farming. Hope to read more good discussions from you at these sites. JOEL.

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farmer boy

08-01-2001 17:40:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Makes The Best Rotary Combines? in reply to JOEL, 07-31-2001 17:45:21  
i am very very sorry about how i acted when i was talking to you it is just that when the flood of 93 came it wiped us out we had to sell the combine and it ment so so much to me because when i was 2 months old i started riding in it and when i was 4 i was driving it . will you please email me at dltfarm@ccp.com and we can talk about your gleaner. TRISTAN DAVID SWARTZ



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