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Learned something about Combines today!

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Willy-N

02-18-2007 20:50:18




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Maintance is realy important when you own one. In taking parts off this 95H Combine today I got a real good look into it. The little things are what kill a combine fast. On the outside it looked nice and ran great. Every thing seemed to work. Then I did the real close look. Under the combine I noticed the biggest damage was do to neglect. Grain & Dust was left in the auger and other low sections when they were finished in the feilds. This held moisture in the bottoms of all the auger tubes & sheet metal voids while it sat thru the winter. Guess what grain & water together holds moisture and it rotted out the bottoms of all the tubes and some nessasary sheet metal parts. The rest of the parts were nice and rust free. I live in a dry area but it does snow during the winter. This ruined a lot of the sheet metal on the combine that still should have been great. All it needed was to be cleaned out after the feilds were done. A lazy farmer can ruin a peice of equipment by not taking care of it! The little things killed this combine. I noticed duct tape in some places and did not even pull it off for a close look cause I wanted it for the engine. Today I got under it over it and inside it and now I know what the tape was for. This combine was ready for the good parts to be removed. Rust can kill equipment also before it's time. Mark H.

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Nutsaboutcombines

02-19-2007 14:10:59




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-18-2007 20:50:18  
Mark, I agree. If any combine has to live outdoors [and a great many do], they MUST BE CLEANED THOROUGHLY!!! Yes, I know all about what happens to a dirty, improperly cleaned-out separator. I wash combines inside and out. Yes, I'm not one bit afraid to drench the inside of the separator with water--and a lot of it! As long as any strong stream or jet from a pressure nozzle is not directly shot on the bearings, fuel filter and other sensitive components, it's okay. I personally prefer a common adjustable Nelson brass nozzle on a water hose to a high pressure washer. This is gentler on combines. Lots of old fashioned elbow grease is also needed.

Proper drying and drainage/runoff is also as important. All excess water must be removed as quickly as possible. This is what will also keep down rust, but just the presence of crop residue is the absolute worst thing that can happen. Never even begin the long, drawn-out and often quite arduous task of washing any combine--if you cannot finish the job! Any combine that cannot be or simply does not get thoroughly washed/flushed inside and out, should be kept DRY and SHELTERED from the rain or snow, period!

Also, be very careful about washing your machine after the end of fall harvest. Any water forced into a bearing or tight spot is more likely to freeze at night long before it can normally evaporate. Also, evaporation is slowed way down in periods of cooler to cold weather. If no shed or canopy [carport type] is available, blow/wash it off and tarp it.

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Willy-N

02-19-2007 14:18:45




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Nutsaboutcombines, 02-19-2007 14:10:59  
I wash off and under my Tender after every fire then grease it good. The dust and mud off the roads is hard on a truck. Makes it nice for inspecting it to for problems if you can see. It also stays in a building during the winter. Mark H.



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95CS

02-19-2007 09:58:49




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-18-2007 20:50:18  
All of those things could have been fixed. You're just trying to justify scrapping it out by listing a bunch of mickey-mouse reasons. Why don't you do us all a favor and keep your scrapping project to yourself!



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dad's88

02-19-2007 14:58:33




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 OH, PLEASE!!!! in reply to 95CS, 02-19-2007 09:58:49  
Sure, then he can have two junk combines sitting in his yard. What's wrong with turning one into an organ doner so that others may live? Perhaps others will call on him for parts for their restoration projects, so it will live on through many different machines. You know, for the life of me I can't understand the mindset of some of you people on here. Every last worn out rusted out used up hulk of a carcass must somehow be preserved for all future generations to enjoy. Enjoy what? Some derelict P.O.S. that's not even wanted at the bone yard? I think parts salvage is a very useful and dignified purpose for these grand old machines. But some of you would villainize a person for trying to make a good one that would actually WORK out of two that don't. You're starting to sound like a damn bunch of PETA idiots. I hope all of you who feel this way are constructing sheds to house all this "stuff" you hold so dear. And you better duke it out with all the farm sale bullies to keep their gas axes off these machines. Are you doing that? If not it's just a bunch of idle chatter. Actions speak louder than words or did you not learn that? It's pretty easy to get on here and launch a bunch of stones from the comfort of your living room. BTW, I spend 3 to 4 DAYS vacing and blowing my combine out after harvest, then if it's still warm out the skin gets a bath. So there should be a good one for those of you that truly care, someday.

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Nutsaboutcombines

02-20-2007 16:00:11




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 Re: OH, PLEASE!!!! in reply to dad's88, 02-19-2007 14:58:33  
I agree, Dad's88. I sure love old combines and don't wish to see any usable one just killed for the sake of doing it [i.e. demolition derby].
However, as a rebuilder myself, I so often have to make just such a judgement call. If I have 2-21 Masseys and only one good engine, I must cull one to save the better of the two. No, it does not always mean the survivor is the combine with the good engine. I've actually been there/done that, with exactly what Mark H. has explained. Running engines aren't just everything.

No, I would not want to be branded as a kind of "PETA-type radical." It's not so much the scrapping of truly worn-out, junk machines and legitimate salvage, I'm just very adament and vehemently opposed to, when it comes to either wanton scrapping/crushing of the GOOD, still running combines or [especially] the demolition derby. There's just no need for that, period.

What many here, also need to realize, is that many [though not all] salvagers, will be more than willing to sell a few good combines that come into their yards, simply because it's only logical and good for business, that a cerain percentage of "obsolete" combines MUST SURVIVE, in order to simply sustain their own parts demands. Duh? I don't see these combine salvagers as brutal, mindless destroyers of every last combine on the planet. I for one, depend on parts from the less fortunate combines--just to save many others' lives.

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Willy-N

02-19-2007 14:09:00




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to 95CS, 02-19-2007 09:58:49  
I don't need a combine and it would be stupid to fix all the things on it to sell it for less than I bought all the parts for just to repair it. I am not in love with this and there are lots of 95H combines around here just sitting in the same condition. Some times folks just need to get real about mech things and fixing them up again. Mark H.



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Nutsaboutcombines

02-19-2007 17:00:43




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-19-2007 14:09:00  
Mark, I know what you mean. I am not against culling/salvaging the worst of any two old combines for the mere sake of saving the one good one.



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Willy-N

02-19-2007 17:10:47




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Nutsaboutcombines, 02-19-2007 17:00:43  
If I was buying one for keeping I would have went over it with a fine tooth come first. I did not even know about this site when I found it. Heck did not relise people even collected them! Some times you need to part some to fix others. I used to do this all the time with 8N Tractors cause they were all over the place around here. Now they want $3,000.00 for them so no more parting them out for me. They can rust in place at that price! I sold a lot of parts to people tring to fix theres back east. Mark H.

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JMS/MN

02-19-2007 07:57:34




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-18-2007 20:50:18  
It's not enough to just run the machine until it is 'empty'. Those covers on the bottom of elevators need to be left open, then run it a while because the elevators can never get everything out by themselves. Walkers and screens need to be cleaned-otherwise it's just an all-winter food supply for the mice.



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Willy-N

02-19-2007 14:12:47




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to JMS/MN, 02-19-2007 07:57:34  
Seems you could just wash out the tubes with water to keep such a expencive machine in good working order. Why turn something into junk cause you can't take a few miniuts to maintain it? My 1967 MF135 is not all rusted out and still runs great. Mark H.



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Mark

02-19-2007 17:06:47




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-19-2007 14:12:47  
Mark,

LOL! I'm still interested in the donor organ pulley(s) from this dead machine! Maybe after you robbed all the usable stuff off the carcass, there should be a wake and memorial service?

Do you think burial in crypt or cremation is best? Are you going to offer a few words for the dearly departed...a Combine Eulogy?

"Dear Friends we are gathered here today to part earthly company with a tired servant of the fields, whose life was cut short because some human failed to clean it's guts...be sure your sins will find you out! This poor, poor, mechanical beast could have been saved FOREVER to sit in some persons barn drawing dust and bird$hit, a home for rats and pigeons, but no...it was brought to a sad end...parted out...oh have mercy on us all! Good-bye dear combine, goodbye from this life we say...farewell you poor unappreciated monstrosity....gone, but not forgotten..oh woe!..bowing our heads, Let us pray." HAR!

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Willy-N

02-19-2007 17:20:00




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Mark , 02-19-2007 17:06:47  
I allmost burned it in place yesterday! You should see the gash in my head off a cheater bar slipping. That cast pully is 20 inches wide but has a 1 1/4 dia shaft! The one below it is 18 inches and the right size if you bore it to 1 inch. I am tring to figure how to get it off with out damage still. It is stuck tight but I am working on it. The carcase will be gas wrenched and hauled to a metal yard. It is a lot of work taking one apart only to get allmost nothing for the parts cause most are not needed!! Been working on it for 3 day now about 6-8 hours a day. If I make 400.00 for all the parts it will be wonderfull? It will take several days just to get rid of whats left. I can see you make a killing on a combine parting it out. Glad I wanted the engine it sorta makes it worth while. Could have just bought it and saved a lot of work! Mark H.

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Mark

02-19-2007 17:30:36




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-19-2007 17:20:00  
Mark,

Both of those pulleys are usable....the big one can be bushed down to 1" and the other easily bored out. Let me know when you get time. If they are stuck, burn the shafts off, I can clamp them in a vice, add heat and a hammer to beat the stubs of shafting out.



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Willy-N

02-19-2007 17:39:18




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Mark , 02-19-2007 17:30:36  
You read my mind. As soon as my neibor gets back with his loader we were going to lift the engine off and burn the shafts. I have tried before getting stuck pulley off and that is the best way if you can cut the shaft. Funny part is I got most of them off on the other side but there real big pullys like real heavy and fat!! I am going to use one double pulley and 2 belts on my generator head. It uses a 2 1/2" shaft and I need it bored a little and keyed. Double Pullys that big are several hundred dollars new with hubs! Now add the cost of the 7/8 inch belts at $100.00 each I did save around $400.00 using them! Mark H.

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Mark

02-19-2007 17:56:20




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Willy-N, 02-19-2007 17:39:18  
Thank goodness for loaders! Today our water was shut off while the utility fixed a broken line. I needed some water, so I drive the tractor the neighbor's..they still have their well hooked up. I pulled up to the hydrant and filled the bucket! Easiest way I know to haul 100 gallons quick and easy!



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Willy-N

02-19-2007 18:55:37




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 Re: Learned something about Combines today! in reply to Mark , 02-19-2007 17:56:20  
I have a Potable Water plastic 200 gal tank for those times I can toss it in the back of the pickup real easy. I would use my loader on the massey but it tops out at 1500 lbs and I know it will be close to that with the complete engine assembley. He has a Big Case Back Hoe and it will lift higher then my 9ft max. Once it is on the ground I can move it around and mount it on the trailer with mine. Mark H.

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