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JD 216 header repair

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Errin OH

08-31-2006 09:22:56




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I have a good 216 head that has started to rust out under the auger. The worst of it was/is around the area where the SS pan from the cutter bar is bolted down. Couple years ago we installed a plastic liner but now my bolt holes (flat bar that holds the SS pan) are coming loose. I striped it down and found a cheap (as in free) source for some new sheet steel. Any tricks or secrets I need to know to do this right. I plan to remove the existing metal and weld in all new. I have measured out the existing holes. Missing something???

Plus is there a trick to keep it from holding water. My cart holds it in such a way that it can't drain out (won't once done anyway). I was thinking of putting a couple 1/2 holes in each end and parking it on a hill so it could drain out. Sound ok???

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Sparky1

09-03-2006 04:48:41




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 Re: JD 216 header repair in reply to Errin OH, 08-31-2006 09:22:56  
My 215 rigid was rusting out in the middle under the auger. I cut out the old and welded in some 14 ga. sheet. I used a port-a-power to put under the auger to get the bend in it. I just replaced the stuff at the feeder house opening. I wish I would have used the poly I got from Shoup to reline my shoe augers this spring. It's 3/32's thick and a 4 x 20 sheet. The sheet metal on my header wasn't welded down, just bolted but it was a rigid yours is a flex. Good luck with your task, don't give up!

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hogman_2002

09-01-2006 09:57:34




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 Re: JD 216 header repair in reply to Errin OH, 08-31-2006 09:22:56  
You are going to have alot of welds to cut/grind. There are welds every 6-8 inches all along the pipe that is on the bottom of the header. You are going to have to get the sheets of metal rolled to match the curve under the auger. You definately have a big project on your hands. I'm currently replacing all the sheet metal on a 222.



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Errin OH

09-03-2006 21:41:53




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 Re: JD 216 header repair in reply to hogman_2002, 09-01-2006 09:57:34  
Yep, I found them. But it was more like 4-6". I sure can't figure out how they did them. Dead nuts on top of the round tube. Spot weld????Everything else was easy. Took out the center first and then each end. Tomorrow I start making the new pieces after cleaning up the head.



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Errin OH

09-05-2006 12:13:09




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 Just for the archives.... in reply to Errin OH, 09-03-2006 21:41:53  
Few lessons learned,

Place head on cart to relieve stress on the feed pan. Remove feed pan. Once the feed pan is out of the way, put the head back on the combine. Raise it up and block it.

Move cart (or back up combine) From underneath cut welds along the arms (both sides) that support the cutter bar. Three in total, one towards the rear of the curved piece, one at the front of the curved piece, and one on the flat attached to the curve piece.

Using a pry bar, cut the welds along front from up top (prying up the tin as you move down the head). The ones by the flat (bar supports) can't really be accessed to from underneath. Then there will be three (under auger and forward) at the ends. Cut those from the top as well as you can't get to them at all from underneath. Now you should have everything from the tube forward loose.

Put the head back on the cart and get the combine out of the way. Remove the angled brackets behind the auger on both sides. Measure the distance from the end to the opening and the height (tin to be replaced). There are a series of welds across the opening cut them loose. You should be able to pry up the back and get an idea where the weld is on the round tube. I cut around them leaving a dime sized piece of tin on the tube. There are a bunch (every 4-6 inches).

Now you should have everything but the two rear corners loose. There will be a spot weld on top of the tube (very end) and a inch (or so) weld to the side pannel. Cut both loose and she should be ready to come out.

I started out thinking I would remove the panels and go back to clean up the supports (not! lot-o-cutting) so I had already cut it out. Once it is loose just cut it in half to make it easier to lift out and slide over to clear the reel bracket. The angle will not pass the auger pulling forward, so pull it up and out via the back side.

Next take an angle grinder and clean up all the cut areas on the head (each place you cut and the dime sized remaining pieces. Some of the harder to reach spots on the tube I went back with the torch and cleaned off the bulk before finishing with the grinder.

Took me about 5 hours to complete the removal.

A couple side notes;
Block reel up and watch working under it. Those things hurt if you raise up or back into them. Watch draging hoses and such accross the knifes.

I am in the process of making the new pieces and will post more later.

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Errin OH

09-11-2006 12:51:41




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 More for the archives in reply to Errin OH, 09-05-2006 12:13:09  
Well it is all but done. I did all the following while the head was on the cart.

Making the new pan. I made mine in two parts as that is how my steel came and fitting a single piece didn’t appear possible (you can and if I should do another will). Both parts were a mirror image of each other, 93” x 31”. One half of the rear (59” on a 216) of the pan is bent up about 4 1/4 inches at a 50 deg angle. The rest is cut out leaving 26 3/4 width. This should put the front edge right at the end of the support arms once fit. I did not drill any holes as I was concerned that they wouldn’t match up. I also left the second part a 1/2 inch long (93 1/2) at the splice, for marking, to fit later.

Frame ready and pieces made, I inserted the first half piece. I was able to insert it from the front as it was not rolled to match the frame. First thing I did was to line it up and drill two of the holes (each end) that the angle in back bolts to. This would help hold the piece in place while fitting to the frame. We tried several different things to get the new metal to conform to the frame but ended up using wood blocks. I used about 6 blocks per side, wedged under the auger. This pushed it firmly into the egg shape the frame had in it. Once in place I repeated the process for the other side doubled check the corners, frame fit, and marked the middle splice. Pulled out the second piece and cut it for the middle splice. Reinstall the second piece and lined it back up checking fit and the splice in the middle.

Once I was happy with the fit I tacked the splice first to make it one piece. Then I drilled the holes in the rear for the angled brackets behind the auger and put in all the bolts. The next step was to weld the rear opening so that the entire rear of the new pan was firmly held in place. Moving on to the support arms and front edge. Once welded, I pulled the blocks.

Not having room for a standard drill I used a torch to cut the holes for the SS feed pan (angle head drill would work). Reinstalled the SS and the runner support arms loosened for the SS pan. All back together now, all I have to do is put the two end snouts back on.

Tips
Remove the auger chain to help it move freely.
There is a bracket that rides above the runner support arms under the head that the larger SS bolt goes though, remember to put it back in place so you don’t have extra pieces laying about.
Between welding and using the torch I opted to paint after the fact.
If like me you don’t have a metal break, the metal can be bent by hand. I placed it on our flat bed with the 4” hanging over the back, laid a 3 inch channel on it and had my boy stand on it. Worked my way across (several times) pushing it down by hand unit it was where it needed to be. (this may not be possible with heaver gage)

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hogman_2002

09-05-2006 18:27:04




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 Re: Just for the archives.... in reply to Errin OH, 09-05-2006 12:13:09  
Sounds like almost the exact thing I did. But I took off the bat reel and pulled the auger out along with the cutter bar. What thickness of metal are you using for the floor pan? I'm using 14 gauge.



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Errin OH

09-06-2006 08:21:51




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 Re: Just for the archives.... in reply to hogman_2002, 09-05-2006 18:27:04  
The steel I came up with mic’d out at .0697 or a 15 gage. The original mic’d out at .0894 almost a 13 gage. I priced the 14 gage and just about gagged. Actually the price was for 2 sheets as the local supplier doesn’t do any cutting and to get the width I would have had a lot left over. The “free stuff” was part of a shipping package of a large multiple piece industrial A/C system. There were two 33x118 inch painted steel panels that were removed and tossed aside during install. Fortunately for me a friend of mine on the job is a bit of a pack rat and drug them home. I cut the first piece yesterday and fit it in. I see why you mention having it rolled. It was a bit of a chore to get it in there. I thought I’d be slick and use inner tubes under the auger to push it down and in place. Well that didn’t work very well. So I cut out a couple 3/4 inch plywood forms (used the bar support arms for a pattern) and used them to push it into place by wedging them under the auger over the bar support arms. Seems to work fairly well, but I need to put in a few more and double check the measurements before proceeding.

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