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Jim@concordfarms.

08-12-2006 00:00:40

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Years ago, my Dad grew Red Clover for seed, which he had certified by the Indiana Crop Improvement Association. He cleaned it with a Clipper seed cleaner, bagged it, and sold it for a reasonable profit. I was just a little feller at the time, but I know he borrowed a neighbors Allis Chalmers All-Crop to thresh it with. I see a opportunity to make a liitle money here. The price for Red Clover seed locally is more than most people want to pay. I've got a 4400 John Deere. I know it will do Clover. At least the manual has settings for Clover, but how do I go about getting the windrowed Clover into the combine? I know I can't direct cut it. My memory doesn't recall what the All-Crop used for a pickup, but don't you need some kind of a header without a reel? The John Deere manual mentions a draper header, but that's something no one around here has ever seen. Any thoughts? Thanks. Jim.

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thhill

08-18-2006 16:57:06

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-12-2006 00:00:40

Id let it get dry and cut it with aregular combine flex head. We used to use an old AC but id just cut it standing and either run it through a seed cleaner the same day so, so ya get the hulls out or it will get hot, from the moisture. Or if ya can buy a bottom combine seive for clover and it will eliminate . manyof the cleaning problems. Put an aereator in it to cool it and draw out the moisture. We do alfalfa that way each year. But get some duck tape it will find every hole in your combine. good uck

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msb

08-12-2006 21:04:17

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-12-2006 00:00:40

Funny you post about clover seed.Just thinking about raising clover when I was a boy this past week.Didn't the clover have to be hulled or at least the seed coat roughed up before it would germinate.I was trying to think of the machine at the elevator that did this when I was a kid.Was it a clover seed huller or a hulling mill?
As I remember, we clipped the clover high and then raked it into a windrow so the header would get under the windrow.Dad use a Massey Harris Clipper like the one I have in the barn today. Want me to bring it down,Jim? lol,bob

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randy hall

08-12-2006 10:13:51

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-12-2006 00:00:40

years back i made clover seed with a 7700 john deere and it would piclk up the windrows with the 215 head very well.

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JMS/MN

08-12-2006 08:54:10

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-12-2006 00:00:40

AC 60 used a pickup with steel crossbars and steel teeth, 66 came out with the rubberized draper and steel teeth. Saved grain that dropped during pickup. Gleaners used AC pickup attachments or others like Innes, Melroe, etc. JD has a nice rubber draper that fits the 4400 and others. Most small grain around here is swathed, so most use a dummy head like Allan says, to minimize setup time. FCB bean heads can be used for the pickup after removing the floating bar. I would guess you could pick up a JD with pickup for under a grand around here. Gleaner heads go much cheaper. I bought a nice M2 dummy with p/u for $250 years ago.

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Allan In NE

08-12-2006 15:32:16

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to JMS/MN, 08-12-2006 08:54:10

I like the Innes design the best. I like the way they have the built in windscreen rods.

The one I have now (top picture) isn't worth a darn in the wind.

Allan

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Allan In NE

08-12-2006 05:17:43

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-12-2006 00:00:40

Mornin' Jim,

Pickups come in all kinds of flavors and sizes. More often than not, they'll be manufactured by an off-name brand. I've owned types with steel pickup teeth, canvas, rubber belts with plastic and rubber with steel teeth with widths ranging from 5' to 18'.

If you are going to be using the combine for both mehtods of threshing, you might consider getting a "dummy head" and rigging it with a permanent pickup so that all you have to do is swap heads.

The reel has to come off, the sickel removed, wobble appratus unhooked and usually a few of the guards so that the pickup can bolt to the cutter bar.

Any farm implement dealer can line you up with a combine pickup attachment.

Allan

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Jim@concordfarms.

08-13-2006 15:11:21

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Allan In NE, 08-12-2006 05:17:43

Thanks to all you guys for the replys. Allan, as usual, your pictures are a big help to me. Don't think I'd ever known what a rollover plow was if not for your photos. MSB, I've heard of clover hullers, but I don't really know when you use one. I don't think Dad used one on his seed. I'll have to ask him the next time I go see him. I know it would make his day to explain it to me. I think I might try to do this. I've got an old quick-tach rigid head out in the big shed that I haven't used since I got my 213 float head. Anybody know about how far west I'd have to go to start seeing draper attachments laying around? I don't care what shape it's in, I'm a machinist by trade, so if I can't buy it from mother Deere, I'll make it myself. Thanks again. Jim.

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08-17-2006 20:20:39

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Re: Red Clover seed. in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 08-13-2006 15:11:21

I bought a Oliver Super 55 diesel a few years ago from an old farmer. When I went to get it out of the barn we had to move what he described to me was a clover huller. I've searched through my Grandpa's ledgers from the 50's and in his expenses he only lists clover as being "fanned". Really neat to read his ledgers. He wrote everything down. One year he planted $17.50 worth of Lespedeza seed and sold $300 worth of seed off it after harvest.

We used to combine our waterways and such of Fescue. Just clipped the heads off much like wheat. I'm guessing with the irregular size of the clover plants you couldn't do that once the seeds were mature? Or is it the fact that too much green would go through the combine? My other question is if you windrowed the clover then picked it up with the combine what happens to the plant part? Does it get chewed up and spread good out of the back of the combine like soybeans? Or would it come out clumpy? Just wondered if you could drop the chopper and bale the stuff after combining? I know from baling clover it sure is dusty!

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