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Repowering a Gleaner Combine?

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FrenzFarms

03-20-2006 08:24:47




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Has anybody ever undertaken the effort of repowering their gasser combine? I've got a AD4-203 Perkins diesel in a MF 300 combine. It is a bear to work on down inside that machine, and I was thinking about pulling it and sticking it on a Gleaner K. Why would I do this you ask? Because I have to fix the drive coupler anyway. So instead of putting it back in the Massey, why not stick it on something more accessable for the future? Granted, I don't have the Gleaner at my place yet so I haven't actually determined the feasibility of the project. But I just hate to give up the diesel.

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Tim(nj)

03-21-2006 09:58:00




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 Engineering calculations in reply to FrenzFarms, 03-20-2006 08:24:47  
Not quite so simple for the Perkins. An A-C 433 out of a K2 or F2 is easy because you can get all the right drive stuff off the combine along with the engine to keep the thresher at the designed speed relative to rated engine speed. The proper ratios need to be set up on the drives, so that the thresher box isn"t running too slow or too fast at the Perkie"s rated speed. That could mean changing pulleys to something that isn"t in the parts book.

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FrenzFarms

03-21-2006 12:17:20




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 Re: Engineering calculations in reply to Tim(nj), 03-21-2006 09:58:00  
I've considered that. I need to give the Gleaner a going over when it gets to the house. However, I think some of this can be achieved simply by adjusted the cylinder speed, of which in the Massey is as simple as cranking a lever that is independent of engine speed. The main thing is running the Perkins at rated speed to make sure you're getting optimum power. But I agree, it cant be completely off. But a slight variation won't be the end of the world.

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JMS/MN

03-22-2006 08:36:22




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 Re: Engineering calculations in reply to FrenzFarms, 03-21-2006 12:17:20  
Changing cylinder speed is not the answer. All components are designed to operate at given speeds, in relation to one another. Walkers, cleaning shoe, feeder and thresher beaters, etc. Best to adjust main pulley size to get the speed right at the first shaft.



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FrenzFarms

03-22-2006 08:44:33




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 Re: Engineering calculations in reply to JMS/MN, 03-22-2006 08:36:22  
I completely agree. Thats why I said a slight variation wouldnt be the end of the world, but a significant difference wouldn't work. I just have to get in there and do some research on the operating RPMs of both engines and the output shaft pulley dimensions. None of which is difficult, just a matter of doing once I have both machines here.



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JMS/MN

03-22-2006 14:16:52




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 Re: Engineering calculations in reply to FrenzFarms, 03-22-2006 08:44:33  
If memory serves me correct- there is a page in the Gleaner operator manual showing all the drives and factory rpms. Might be in the service manual- I've had 4 Gleaners since '76, all had op, some had svc and parts, saw it in one or the other manuals. In the past I've seen operators trying to compensate for wrong parts by 'adjusting' throttle settings- never been impressed with that notion- keep it original, run it full tilt like the company designed it for- there is enough for an operator to watch without trying to play with engine speed. And if someone else runs it for you----- ----oy! Harvest is payback time for all you put into the crop- when you plow it under it is just fertilizer for next year, instead of in the bin.

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K-stater

03-20-2006 17:41:22




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 Re: Repowering a Gleaner Combine? in reply to FrenzFarms, 03-20-2006 08:24:47  
Sounds like a good idea. I've seen K2's with the Allis 433 diesel like our F2. I wouldn't think you'd have much of a problem with the perkins fitting, with a few modifications. We had a K gasser that we just sold, neat machine, but I always wondered if I could have dropped a diesel in it. You'll like the K, as they are easy to work on. Good luck.



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Allan In NE

03-20-2006 11:02:47




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 Re: Repowering a Gleaner Combine? in reply to FrenzFarms, 03-20-2006 08:24:47  
Oh, Heck Yeah,

I'll admit that I've never done it to be sure, but all you'd have to do is throw a drive belt on the business end and hook up the hydraulic jackshaft coupler on the other end and away you go.

Gotta love those Gleaners! :>)

Allan



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