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Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30

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Rustin

02-11-2006 18:10:54

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My dad bought an F2 Gleaner last fall and it came with a 4-38 corn head. We are on 30 in rows and will stay on 30in. Can we find a 4-30 head easier than cutting down the 4-38? Will a deere head fit on there? Will the F2 handle 6-30 at real slow speed? My think on the last question is 6-30 may be easier to find. Thanks in advance for your help!

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paul

02-15-2006 20:00:27

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-11-2006 18:10:54

The 6-30 heads are very rare. The rear of your combine is not heavy enough, will need a lot of weight. You will have to run real slow. The hopper is not big enough, will need to empty on both ends, if you have long rows might not even make 1/2 round.

There was the F, then the first year of the F2 was almost like an F. Then the following year they made some big changes, and still called it an F2. That first year of F2 machines - 1977 - they are called the 'short shoe' models. The newer style has a longer cleanning shoe.

You would not even want to try a 6 row on an F or the short-shoe F2.

I have a short-shoe F2, 4-38 row orange corn head.

The orange heads had lots of chain running them. Welded frames, I've seen a lot that were cut down to 30. Newer corn heads are black, they have shaft driving them & are slightly adjustable, but as mentioned they do not slide from 30 to 38 - different frames.

'Here' you can find all kinds of F corn heads, both orange & black that are 30 inches wide. Was a very, very populare combine. You need an F or a combo F/G header tho, other models won't fit.

--->Paul

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Rustin

02-15-2006 21:02:01

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to paul, 02-15-2006 20:00:27

Paul,

Thank you for your reply. It sounds like you know your stuff on these gleaners. I think we are on the hunt for a 4-30 head.

Rustin

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JMS/MN

02-17-2006 18:56:26

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-15-2006 21:02:01

The 'long shoe' F2 started at serial number 39201. Anything earlier than that is no better than an F. Hydraulic swing unloading auger is also on the later F2 combines. 77 F2 had the manual auger, like the model F. Also post on the combine talk show board if you are looking for advice or heads. www.harvesting.com

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JMS/MN

02-12-2006 19:12:34

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-11-2006 18:10:54

The simple solution is to find a 30 inch head. If the F2 has an old orange head- very definitely, look for a 30 inch head. If the F2 has a black head- ie, A438- no, it is not simply a matter of loosening clamps and moving row units. The black row units are identical, but the frames they sit on are not. Sheet metal is different. Each head adjusts two inches +/-.....not 6 inches. Manual details that. Correct drive shafts are spendy- cheaper to buy the right head. Yes, you can stick a black 630 on the F2 and go slow, but what happens in a wet year----- -you need ground speed to get through the mud, and first gear will not cut it! F2 is a fantastic combine with a 4r head- I have one with 430 orange head, 28Lx26 tires- real mud hog! Carries well in mud- ran it since '83 that way, now use the M2 with 630 A head. Bish Mfg makes an adapter to run JD on Gleaner, but why?

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Rustin

02-14-2006 20:40:51

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to JMS/MN, 02-12-2006 19:12:34

Thanks for the comments. I don't know much about gleaners. Will a 4-30 head be hard to come by and what should it be worth?

Thanks!

Rustin

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Allan in NE

02-12-2006 07:01:16

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-11-2006 18:10:54

Rustin,

Which engine does it have? That old D6 will run circles around the 4-pop.

Allan

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Rustin

02-14-2006 20:42:04

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Allan in NE, 02-12-2006 07:01:16

I think it has a diesel?

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Leland

02-12-2006 00:43:04

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-11-2006 18:10:54

Sound as simple as loosing up some ubolts and getting every thing to slide in done it with a massey head this way

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Rustin

02-14-2006 20:45:32

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Leland, 02-12-2006 00:43:04

I don't think it is as simple on this head as some. It looks like ther is about a 4 inch pipe that everything is mounted to as a main frame. And it looks like it is welded. If we cut it down we will have to cut sections of the pipe (main frame) out and weld back together. I think this is feasable but will require a collar to slip over each cut so we are not just welding it back together.

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JMS/MN

02-15-2006 18:30:47

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-14-2006 20:45:32

The head, as you describe it, is an orange head. From around 1970, could be older. Row units are welded to the frame, no bolted like on the black heads. You should be able to find an orange 430 head for a few hundred dollars, later black heads (A430) can be found for a thousand or so. Don't waste the time to cut down the orange head. Black one has newer features as well.

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Rustin

02-15-2006 20:55:30

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to JMS/MN, 02-15-2006 18:30:47

Thank you for your feedback. The head does look like it has some age on it. But looks to be in good shape. I think we are on the hunt for a 4-30 now that we know a black head will work too.

Rustin

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Leland

02-14-2006 21:07:24

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-14-2006 20:45:32

ours wasmounted to a 6" square tube ,sounds like we lucked out I imange you could find another head a lot easier

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Rustin

02-15-2006 20:56:57

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Leland, 02-14-2006 21:07:24

I think you are right.

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Leland

02-15-2006 21:26:17

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-15-2006 20:56:57

I don't know where you live but a dealer had a gleaner and 4 row head for sale near Peoria IL I can try and find the ph# if you want me to .

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Rustin

02-23-2006 20:47:31

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Leland, 02-15-2006 21:26:17

Yes, I would appreciate the phone number if you can get it.

Thanks!

Rustin

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Leland

02-24-2006 00:37:07

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Re: Narrowing a 4-38 Gleaner Corn head to 4-30 in reply to Rustin, 02-23-2006 20:47:31

I will see if the ad is still in shopper but don't really know what head it has .

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