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Feederhouse collapse?

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4435

11-24-2005 12:10:05




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How do you determine this is happening? (John Deere) What are the remedies. Tom




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another doug

11-26-2005 04:36:10




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to 4435, 11-24-2005 12:10:05  
4435, Please tell us more symptoms as to what is going on with your combine? Thanks, another doug



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Jim@concordfarms.

11-26-2005 12:07:43




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to another doug, 11-26-2005 04:36:10  
That's what I was going to ask, too. You mean you lost hydraulic pressure and it sunk to the ground, or did all the sheet metal collapse upon itself. Kinda hard to tell anything as it stands now. Jim.



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paul

11-26-2005 20:16:00




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 11-26-2005 12:07:43  
Me too - what is collapsing, what is the JD model?

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4435

11-27-2005 17:41:26




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to paul, 11-26-2005 20:16:00  
Sorry Guys, I thought it was pretty common on the 4400 and 4420 series. The sheet metal above and around the cylinder collapses. I run a 4435 and just this year added a 653A row head. As the season progressed I began having problems adjusting the concave. Three or four times I had to loosen the front concaves adjustment nuts to move the concaves up or down. I can"t see any external signs but am wondering if I have some symptoms. Thanks Tom

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Nutsaboutcombines

11-28-2005 06:16:59




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to 4435, 11-27-2005 17:41:26  
Gee, I think a 6-row head is a little much for a 4400/4435 anyway. Maybe that's the problem.



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JMS/MN

11-28-2005 08:57:53




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to Nutsaboutcombines, 11-28-2005 06:16:59  
653A is the soybean row-crop head, not a heavy corn head, right? Also question the reference to the concave- since that is not in the feederhouse. Or is the whole machine being twisted, etc. for some reason. 'Course I had a neighbor who was extremely rough with equipment, IH hydro only a few years old, always running too fast on rough ground.....raised the 6r head, it stayed on the ground while the drive axle rotated up into all those expensive augers that pull the grain back behind the cylinder. Dealer would not rent him a machine to finish up- he knew better. Guy went to AZ for construction job- no longer farms..... ..

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4435

11-29-2005 06:06:35




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to JMS/MN, 11-28-2005 08:57:53  
JMS, The rowhead is heavier than a corn head. I have a pressure guage in the cab. Also the owners manual indicates the weights. I have heard and read a limited amount on this subject (collapse) and I think the implication is the weight of the head on the feederhouse causes the thresher to collapse on the cyl. and concave. Tom



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Jim@concordfarms.

11-29-2005 10:57:23




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to 4435, 11-29-2005 06:06:35  
I have never heard of the weight of a header destroying a combine. I would more tend to think that excessive weight in the grain tank would cause it. I think that if your separator side sheets (which is actually the proper term) were buckling, you would have other symptoms, such as overly tight or loose belts, and controls that were stiff or hard to operate. I don't have any books for a 4435, but I looked in my 4420 and 6620 books and saw nothing that would cause your problems with the wandering concave. I did see a neighbors 6620 do something similar a few years ago. It was an early 6620 w/ a 643 corn head and very large grain tank extensions. He was running on a sidehill with the grain tank nearly full, the combine just sort of leaned over a little. If it was a wall in a house, you would say it "racked". It started clanging and banging, and the fan was hitting the radiator. That combine was completly destroyed in less than a minute. When I saw it, it was leaning to one side about a foot at the top. The whole problem has got me sort of curious. I'm going to look at a 4435 parts book tomorrow, and see if I can figure this out. Where are you, by the way? Jim.

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Nutsaboutcombines

11-29-2005 11:09:31




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 11-29-2005 10:57:23  
Well, I don't think the damage to the feeder house and front of cylinder housing will total the combine, but it can be serious damage. Yes, I agree that the head is just too heavy for that size of a combine. The 4 row head is plenty and yes, row heads ARE heavier than corn heads.



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4435

11-29-2005 19:42:24




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 Re: Feederhouse collapse? in reply to Nutsaboutcombines, 11-29-2005 11:09:31  
Jim, I am in southeast Kansas. I might at this time mention I ran a 4425 before this. And yes I ran a 4 row rowhead on it. Til' I got the six row. Its a trade off here. Run so fast if you wiggle its way off or roll a point under. Or run the six at a more moderate pace which allows some reaction time. This year the milo went down terribly. So I ran most all of the plant thru the machine. Probably picked up an extra 20 to 50 bushel acre with the row head. Tom

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