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Andy in Ct

03-28-2007 04:32:10




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I am rebuiling a K 321. Does any one have any experience in the after market parts? I see kits with rings, valves and gaskets and the price is attractive compared to genuine Kohler parts. Now I know some insist on using genuine parts but is the extra cost justified when talking about gaskets? Are Kohler parts made by the same import factory and just packaged by Kohler? Thanks




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Bills1450

03-28-2007 18:59:08




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct, 03-28-2007 04:32:10  
As JT said, if you use quality aftermarket parts and do the job right with proper maintenence afterwards you won't have any problems. I also use the Stens brand here and do alot of Kohler engines every year and have never had a problem. I even have several tractor pullers running these parts (unlimited rpms !!) without problems and you can't get much harder on an engine than that. I see in your other reply you only need 1 valve, gaskets and rings which tells me you aren't having it bored so probably neither will last long as it is rare to see one that doesn't need bored out to make it right.

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JT

03-28-2007 16:23:17




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct, 03-28-2007 04:32:10  
Andy,
I sell and use both OEM and aftermarket engine parts, but am very picky about where I buy the aftermarket parts. I have used aftermarket pistons, rings, gaskets, valves for about 5 years now and have had NO problems at all with them. The MOST important thing in a Kohler rebuild is to do it right, if it needs to be bored, bore it, if the crank needs to be turned, turn it, sloppy repair ethics and shorts cuts are the biggest reason any rebuild does not work.
If you get a reputable machine chop, that does reputable work, then you will not ahve any trouble. Now, the only aftermarket stuff I will use is Stens, they buy their rings from the same people who make Kohler rings, Their pistons are cam ground so you get a more consistant sizes, plus they put a one year warranty on their parts and they DO back it up, Kohler has a 90 day warranty, and I have had Kohler rods fail within 30 days becasue their tolerance were not correct. Kohler does not manufacturer a lot of their parts like they used to, so the pistons you buy from Kohler and the piston you buy from Stens could have came out of the same mold, then put in a differant box. There are a lot of aftermarket parts out there, I have seen Rotary pistons,primline parts, and I am not impressed by neither one. I had a Honda engine in last week and rebuilt it with new rings, it came back in last night, smoking, no power, rings were shot again, with OEM rings, found out that the air filter was not properly installed after it left here, so I think a lot of aftermarket aprts get a bad rap because of poor maintenance after the rebuild. Another problem area is the throttle shaft on the carb, you can rebuild an engine, take it out and mow a year with it, and have rings worn again, after you as the rebuilder and aftermarket parts get the blame for it, you find out the oil does not get changed every 50 hours, air filter did not get serviced, the carb throttle shaft was worn, letting dirt get right back in the engine and wearing it out again. So, if you buy a quality aftermarket part, then you will get good parts and they will work great for a lot of years, just do it right! If you are questionable about internet quality, check the prices at your local auto parts store for Hastings piston and TRW rings. I do not thing they would be considered cheap aftermarket parts.

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Brian Yeager

03-28-2007 08:18:19




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct, 03-28-2007 04:32:10  
I have two 14 HP K-321 Kohlers for sale if anyone is interested. A complete running engine for $400 and a new long block for $300. I agree that OEM is better no matter what you're working on, but if you're not making a living with it does it matter that much?



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JT

03-29-2007 15:20:37




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Brian Yeager, 03-28-2007 08:18:19  
15 years ago, I would have aggreed with you, but OEM only means high prices with minimal quality. A lot of OEM parts I get are now made in Japn, China, India, who knows where next?????



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IH2444

03-28-2007 11:33:42




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Brian Yeager, 03-28-2007 08:18:19  
Sometimes OEM is exactly the same as the "aftermarket parts" In some cases they both get their parts from the same offshore manufacturer. esp on older stuff.



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Kent of SWMO

03-28-2007 06:05:23




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct, 03-28-2007 04:32:10  
I am just finishing the rebuilds of a K-301 and a K-341 for two JD garden tractors models 312 and 300. These tractors are owned by the same guy. I ONLY use KOHLER parts as I do not want them coming back in a couple of years. The 341 had a broken crank which damaged the magenets in the flywheel and the alternator stator. The block was also already 30 over so I had to have the block sleeved back to std. The engine, on the 300 which was set-up for a rear mounted tiller so the customer wanted it fix period. ONLY USE KOHLER PARTS. When all is said and done they are the cheapest in the long run.

Kent

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lucasss

03-28-2007 05:43:15




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct, 03-28-2007 04:32:10  
as far as the pistons and rods. the kohler brand stuff is alot better in the long run. my neighbor got a piston and rod off ebay for his k301.i bored the engine for him.it started useing oil by the rings after one mowing season.the aftermarket rings that come in the wax paper are the worst quality, soft and to much end gap. i bored my kohler and used oem parts and its still good after 10 years.so im not sure my freind really saved any money in the long run. i weighed a k321 oem piston and a aftermarket one and the oem was much heavier.so i broke up an old oem and an old aftermarket one with a hammer. the oem had steel reinforced parts in it and somewhat thicker aluminum.the aftermarket one had no steel in it. if i had to use an aftermarket piston and rings it would be primeline because of the rings are much better than the others.... i do alot of boring and crank grinding so ive seen all the aftermarket stuff.people bring in a block and crank with aftermarket stuff thinking they are saving money, they are,but not in the long run..ive yet to see an aftermarket ex valve that was asgood as an oem as far as being hard.the after rods are pure aluminum and softer than oems, you can tell if you machine one. lucas

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Andy in Ct.

03-28-2007 17:27:46




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to lucasss, 03-28-2007 05:43:15  
Thanks for the input. I only need one valve, rings and gaskets. Are the after market gaskets good quality? As a side note I have bought parts for my Ford farm tractor and they were all made over seas but came from Sealed Power and Felpro, etc.



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JT

03-29-2007 15:16:45




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to Andy in Ct., 03-28-2007 17:27:46  
One valve, rings and gaskets? Unless this is an engine that has been bored lately, you are wasting your money putting just rings in it, 90% of cast iron engines I tear down are egg shaped, and a set of rings probably will not hold for very long. If you want this to last, you need to get the cylinder mic'd and make sure it is round. and rebuild it right.



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Andy in Ct.

03-29-2007 17:03:07




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 Re: Kohler Engine Parts in reply to JT, 03-29-2007 15:16:45  
The cylinder was mic'd and it checked out.



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