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Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transaxle

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Big Al's acres

02-11-2005 18:47:16




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Hi. I am working on a project and would like to find a cast iron case, 3 speed progressive transmission with the power input shaft on the side of trans. Likely will be from an older series tractor. I will be running the transmission against a 16 hp motor. Please look under your old parts tractors and help me out if you can.
Thanks, Alan




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Dannie

02-12-2005 14:27:52




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-11-2005 18:47:16  
Have transmission H shift out of Simplicity yoman.I am in Va.



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Big Al's acres

02-12-2005 14:35:12




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Dannie, 02-12-2005 14:27:52  
Hi Dannie,
Drop me a note and give me more description of your transaxle, 3 or 4 speed, approx. weight, dimensions, etc, digital pic's. if possible. I can then determine if it will work for my project. Use alsfarms@hotmail.com
Thanks, Alan



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grandfield

02-12-2005 10:05:53




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-11-2005 18:47:16  
I've got a Jacobsen out of a Chief, between Chicago and Milwaukee.



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Big Al's Acres

02-12-2005 10:10:26




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to grandfield, 02-12-2005 10:05:53  
Hi Grandfield,
Would you drop me an email, I would like to talk to you about this transaxle. Can you send digital pics.? I also need to know dimensions.
Regards, Alan



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chuck in Indiana

02-12-2005 09:13:24




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-11-2005 18:47:16  
What do you mean by progressive?



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Big Al's acres

02-12-2005 09:33:54




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to chuck in Indiana, 02-12-2005 09:13:24  
Thanks for the response. There are two basic manual transmission types, one being selective. This transmission allows you to "select" the gear you want by the use of the typical "H" shifting pattern. A progressive transmission shifts inline, like a motorcycle, you are required to "progress" through the gears and must go back through the gears to get to neutral. The transaxle I prefer is of the "progressive" type, cast iron, able to stand up against 16 hp. Normally found in the older style yard tractors. If I can't locate a "progressive" type I would consider a "selective" type but it also must have the input shaft on the side of the transaxle. Do you have something that could help?
Alan

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JT

02-12-2005 10:19:15




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-12-2005 09:33:54  
All Wheel Horse transmissions are selective, cast iron, with the side input shaft. They do use a few light ones on their lawn tractor, but any of the big garden tractros are cast iron.



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Big Al's acres

02-12-2005 10:24:29




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to JT, 02-12-2005 10:19:15  
Will the Wheel horse selective transaxle stand up to a 16 hp engine? That type may be a good alternative to s progressive.
Alan



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William Pearson

02-13-2005 10:28:44




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-12-2005 10:24:29  
The Wheel Horse Unidrive transmission models 5091 , 103907 , 103916 and 103918 with the 1-1/8 inch axles and 8 pinion gears will handle up to 55 hp if in good shape any more horse power and breakage will start to occur. The Unidrive models 5060 and 5073 with the 10 pinion differential with have a cylindrical spring which works like a positractaction because it keeps pressure on the pinion gears , these transmission will also handle lots of horse power. To find one of these transmissions look for any 12 to 16 hp Wheel Horse made from 1974 to 1982 , all "C" series tractors had the heavy duty transmissions.
Bill in Richmond , Va.

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Big Al's acres

02-13-2005 13:24:20




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to William Pearson, 02-13-2005 10:28:44  
Thanks for your info. What percentage of Wheel Horse tractors come with the transmission you have defined? The wheel horse is probably the trans. for me to use. Do you have any measurements and a guess as to how much one of these will weigh?
Regards, Alan



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JT

02-13-2005 15:33:43




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-13-2005 13:24:20  
Any of the C series, the 300 series, the 400 series,, 500 series. All have the heavy Wheel Horse transmission. A lot of the 400,500 series use a hydrostat transmission. Probably will weight 75-100 pounds, I am not sure, but you can bet your bottom dollar, you will not find a better tranny than the Wheel Horse.



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William Pearson

02-13-2005 10:32:22




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to William Pearson, 02-13-2005 10:28:44  
Ha Ha
The last time Wheel Horse made a progressive transmission was in 1957 with the RJ-35 , it was a varible speed belt drive set up.
Bill in Richmond , Va.



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Big Al's acres

02-13-2005 19:42:28




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to William Pearson, 02-13-2005 10:32:22  
Hi William,
What does the term "Unidrive" mean? Do these heavy Wheel Horse transaxles come in 3 and 4 speeds or just 4 speeds? Do you know, is the high gear direct? Is the dual range just a reflection of external belt sheaves? Thanks for sharing information with me.
Regards, Alan



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William Pearson

02-14-2005 03:16:41




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-13-2005 19:42:28  
Al,
Unidrive is just a patented name by the Wheel Horse company for their transmission. There three forward speed gears in the early three speeds , a four speed is just a marketing name since reverse is counted as a speed. The Hi/Lo are actual gears inside the transmission case.
1st gear hi range - 66.8 to 1 , lo is 267.2 to 1
2nd gear hi range - 42.4 to 1 , lo is 169.6 to 1
3rd gear hi range - 24.6 to 1 , lo is 98.4 to 1 I doubt you will ever find a garden tractor with a 1 to 1 hi gear ..... unless it has real small rear tires.
Bill in Richmond ,Va.

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Big Al's acres

02-26-2005 09:00:38




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to William Pearson, 02-14-2005 03:16:41  
Bill,

Your gear ratio chart was very interesting. Do you kow what the typical reduction is between the engine and the transaxle on the Wheel Horse "C" series. Does this particular transaxle whine much when at speed? I would assume that it does where it incorporates straight cut gears.

Alan



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Big Al's acres

02-14-2005 05:51:33




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to William Pearson, 02-14-2005 03:16:41  
WIlliam, Thanks for the good information. Is the heavier duty 3 speed trans, (no hi-lo) with the 1-1/8" axle shafts very common? Thanks again, Alan



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William Pearson

02-14-2005 14:22:08




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-14-2005 05:51:33  
Well Al,
It's like I always have said "5th Avenue in New York City and Rodeo Drive out in Beverly Hills don't sell many Wheel Horses but all the little towns out in Indiana sure do have a lot!". Try the 7th Annual Wheel Horse Show on June 24th and 25th at the South Mountain Fairgrounds in Arendtsville , Pa. for a Unidrive transmission ..... I'm sure there will be one there for sale.
Bill in Richmond , Va.

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oldtanker

02-13-2005 05:12:47




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 Re: Looking or a garden tractor Progressive Transa in reply to Big Al's acres, 02-12-2005 10:24:29  
the Wheel Horse trannys should handel a 16hp with no problem.



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