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Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) ideas

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Andy

09-12-2003 14:07:28




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You now, done *properly*, what Robert's (below) PO did doesn't sound like an all-bad idea. I need some wheel weights for my Craftsman 20HP tractor, but don't want to fork out $100 for two steel disks.

I've considered using barbell weights, and drilling holes to mount them, but 50#'ers are usually *quite* large in diameter.

I saw another posting where it looked like the guys were talking about filling the tires themselves with an alchohol/water mix for weight. Is this really a viable option (or am I misinterpreting something)?

I'll go back to my nice, padded room, now.

Andy

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Gene Davis(Ga.)

09-14-2003 20:54:49




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 Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) i in reply to Andy, 09-12-2003 14:07:28  
At one time Sears sold wheel weights that were made of concrete covered with vinyl.



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rick

09-13-2003 07:17:55




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 Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) i in reply to Andy, 09-12-2003 14:07:28  
Andy, you got a lot of advice on what to do. No one as the questions they should have.

Why do you need the weight? If only to make it more stable for side hill mowing then windshield fluid will be heavy enough and is non corrosive unlike calcium chloride. That with chains are okay for running a snowblower too. If you are going to pushing snow or dirt I would go with the CC and a better tractor. The newer cheap tractors with an aluminum housing tranny wont last long.

How much do you need? Again look above. How it will be use will determine how much you need. I maintain a farm drive with a garden tractor and blade moving a lot of class 5 around. I have about 6 gals of windshield fluid per tire and my 270 lbs to give it weight. Works great. I use an old Wheel Horse that most likely weighs several hundred lbs more than your Craftsman.

What is available in your area? That one you have to look at. I know several people who are into garden tractor pulling and use bar bell weights. Any Wal Mart carries them, the metal is soft and easy to drill and can be added in increments for different classes. Most use the #20's for the rear tires.

I live in a rural area that has many farmer an some do make wheel weights from concrete. And yes they are real farmers. Most of the time it's a money thing and concrete is cheap. They already have CC in the tires but many are pushing the limits on traction trying to use bigger implements without being able to afford a bigger tractor to pull them.

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Ollie

09-13-2003 08:19:14




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 Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid in reply to rick, 09-13-2003 07:17:55  
CaCl cannot possibly corrode rims. It's inside the tube and does not contact the rim. Old wive's tale.



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Does too, Does not!!

09-13-2003 12:38:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (st in reply to Ollie, 09-13-2003 08:19:14  
You sir are perhaps the most ignorant individual I have ever encountered on this board!! CaCl can and does cause rims to corrode. No matter how careful you are, some of the solution will eventually find it's way between tire and tube. Even flushing with water will not prevent the ultimate demise of the rim.



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Tom

09-13-2003 08:32:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (st in reply to Ollie, 09-13-2003 08:19:14  
You haven't seen many old tractor rims have you? I've seen plenty that were rusted out from the calcium chloride that was used in the tires. Ever hear of tires having a slow leak? Just need a little air added from time to time. That slow leak can be allowing calcium chloride to seep out of the tube, and into the rim. It DOES happen.



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Ollie

09-13-2003 09:14:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other in reply to Tom, 09-13-2003 08:32:53  
No, it doesn’t. Here's why. The CaCl is not in the tire, it's in the TUBE. Water molecules are 2,000 times the size of air molecules. If it leaks water, it leaks air, lots of it. If you are too lazy to fix an air leak, then you probably don't fix engine oil leaks, hydraulic system leaks, etc. In which case, why complain? It was your decision to ignore routine maintenance.



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Tom

09-13-2003 13:27:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and o in reply to Ollie, 09-13-2003 09:14:49  
Not complaining. I NEVER had a tire with calcium chloride in it. BUT I've seen plenty of rusty ones that did. You can't tell me that calcium chloride won't rust out a rim, when I've seen such rims with my own eyes.

As for being too lazy to perform maintenance, you're dead wrong.



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rick

09-13-2003 13:03:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and o in reply to Ollie, 09-13-2003 09:14:49  
ollie forgot to mention that a lot of places, in fact all the places I know of in a farming area that repair farm tires do not wash the rims. Even if the CC leaked all over the place. Then it will rust. Has nothing to do with good or bad maintance.



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slideways

09-13-2003 15:35:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - a in reply to rick, 09-13-2003 13:03:38  
Im sure there is something you can rig up using the trailer hitch of the tractor. My neighbor put some wood on the hitch and attached a few old batteries to it. That added like 300lbs. Perhaps weight isnt going to solve your problem. Get some Ag tread tires (like farm tractors) for the rear. You wont spin then. And no they dont rip up your yard. A spinning turf tire will rip up far more than a gripping ag will ever.

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John Holcomb

09-12-2003 16:38:48




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 Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) i in reply to Andy, 09-12-2003 14:07:28  
When I was a kid I bought a new Allis B-112 with a deck,blade,snow blower,chains,trailer, and the banks help. Since I was out of money and needed weights my dad and I made them from cement. At the hardware we bought coupling nuts that my dad turmed the taper on one end for the wheel seat. we then ordered fine thread rod and made short and long studs.We took the wheels off greased them and placed heavy plastic into the wheel dish.useing the long studs and some 1 inch pipe cut to length we clamped the pipe over the holes in the wheels and poured cement in. The pipes stayed in the cement as we wanted and the wheel weights with the pipes fell right out. I was an easy job each winter to screw the long studs into the coupling nuts and then slide the cement weights into the wheel, add some fender washers and outer nuts and I was ready to plow. This system wouked for the 5 years I had the tractor [age 13 to 18] and I cleaned about 10 driveways every snow and mowed 30 lawns a week in the summer. So the idea doesn't sound crazy to me at all you just have to do it right.

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KURT (mi)

09-12-2003 16:21:02




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 Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) i in reply to Andy, 09-12-2003 14:07:28  
I have a Bolens Gt12, the guy that owned it B4 me poured concrete into two coffee cans and slid two bolts into the crete as it was hardening. The round concrete blocks bolt onto the rims, looks silly, but it adds 100#s of weight, I weigh less than 180 so it helps in the snow.



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allan b.

09-13-2003 00:53:30




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 Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid in reply to KURT (mi), 09-12-2003 16:21:02  
it would have looked funnier if that guy would have used a coffee can and a tuna can. there , that was stupid



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allan b

09-13-2003 00:48:51




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 Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid in reply to KURT (mi), 09-12-2003 16:21:02  
i am going be moving snow by rear blade this winter, i have a ford 9n,with great tires no weights. i have a rear blade that weighs about 300#,then i am going to buy sand tubes. its dried sand in heavy plastic tubes, and just hang them over the axles. front or rear. they weigh about 50# apiece and they lay nicely on pickup truck wheel wells , for extra weight. if not use a little fence wire. and if you are on real slick stuff, cut a bag open and spread it under tires. this is the reason you dont bag yourown, too much moisture,and it just stays in one big lump,

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Ollie

09-12-2003 14:46:59




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 Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid?) i in reply to Andy, 09-12-2003 14:07:28  
Calcium chloride and water inside a tube (obviously) is by far the best way to add weight. Alcohol and windshield washer fluid and all the other silly methods are actually lighter than the same amount of water. CaCl is far heavier than water.

Just be sure to use a good tube with a new core. And don't fill them more than 3/4 full with the mixture. www.gemplers.com has all the stuff you need. So will most farm supply stores.

Another alternative is to eat more food and drink more beer. Then you become the added weight and look at all the fun you'll have! Hey, it worked for me!

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lucas

09-12-2003 17:23:15




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 Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (stupid in reply to Ollie, 09-12-2003 14:46:59  

ive seen many farmers use concrete for wheel weights. IT WORKS GREAT...lucas



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Ollie

09-13-2003 04:30:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (st in reply to lucas, 09-12-2003 17:23:15  
Real farmers use CaCl. I have 1,150 lb of it in EACH of my 18.4x34 rears.



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Jim

09-13-2003 08:20:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other in reply to Ollie, 09-13-2003 04:30:22  
Then real farmers may have calcium chroide in the ir tires, then look at all the old tractor rims that have rusted out. Then you get to buy new rims and tires. I will stick with cast iron and concrete.



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Ollie

09-13-2003 09:16:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and o in reply to Jim, 09-13-2003 08:20:25  
CaCl cannot possibly corrode rims. It's inside the tube and does not contact the rim. Old wive's tale.



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cubpuppy

09-12-2003 19:37:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other (st in reply to lucas, 09-12-2003 17:23:15  
I have a WH 855 and the guy before me took plastic buckets and filed them with cement and bolts to fit the patteren. they way about 75lbs each! make sure you cut the buckets off.



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lucas

09-13-2003 06:57:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and other in reply to cubpuppy, 09-12-2003 19:37:04  

concrete works great



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clifford c benjamin

09-22-2003 21:13:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Concrete Wheel Weights - and o in reply to lucas, 09-13-2003 06:57:25  
stens sells wheel weights part number is 180-000 list $73.95 priced and sold per pair phone 1 800 457 7444 hope this is any help to you call them



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