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Follow-up 59-871 No start cold start

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Ed(IN)

12-16-2003 05:40:50




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I posted a question last week but due to the flu I am now able to get back with a follow-up to my 871 no start in this cold.

I pulled the starter and replaced it with another starter. It started.

Over the past summer when I pushed the starter button it would click click and then the starter motor would turn over . I had been checking all of my connections and they were all tight.

But the post on the starter motor was loose.

What I think happened was that the post was shorting out sometimes, and after repeated cold weather starting attempts with a fuel delivery problem the starter finally just blanked the bed and shorted out for good.

After thawing the carb, putting in gas line antifreeze and fixing the fuel flow, it would be my luck that when it was about to spit to life the starter blanked the bed.

Now it starts like it should.

Yes, the lever was in park I learned that lesson long time ago.

Electronic ignition is the charm.

Thanks you to all who posted and added their ideas.

LarryNCKS...curious as to why not jump over the solonoid to the starter on an SOS? What would or could happen?

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gcobb

12-16-2003 09:18:36




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 Re: Follow-up 59-871 No start cold start in reply to Ed(IN), 12-16-2003 05:40:50  
Had a good friend jumped out an allis chalmers track loader while standing on the tracks. It was in reverse. The track carried right to the back and dumped him off behind the dozer ran over him and kept going for a quater mile before bogging up in a swamp. Like I said I had a friend.

Safety First!



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Larry NCKS

12-16-2003 07:35:30




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 Re: Follow-up 59-871 No start cold start in reply to Ed(IN), 12-16-2003 05:40:50  
Glad you got your problem figured out and glad you're feeling better.

The why not is this: If you short that solenoid out . . . and the tractor starts . . . and the reason you had to try alternative means of cranking is because the transmission is not in park . . . and you forgot to make certain of that . . . or the shifter is off and is actually at the P while the transmission is not in Park . . . as soon as the oil pressure hits that transmission it's gonna move.

In my Granddad's case it was in a forward gear and wound him around the back axle at the ripe old age of 80. The only thing that stopped it was a tractor sitting in front with a rear tool bar attached. In my Dad's case it was in Reverse and got both of his knee caps. Dad was sore for awhile and while Granddad wasn't killed, he never fully recovered from it and I think it hastened his death a long year later.

Besides all that, shorting a solenoid is dangerous on anything, especially a tractor where you are likely standing between the front and rear tires to do it, unless you are absolutely certain that it can't go anywhere if it does start. And on an SOS the danger is compounded infinitely by the fact that one can never know for certain that it is in park unless one has removed the transmission cover and assertained the position of the cam shifter rail.

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Fighting suburbia in NC

12-16-2003 12:24:46




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 Re: Re: Follow-up 59-871 No start cold start in reply to Larry NCKS, 12-16-2003 07:35:30  
Like Larry said in the first post - disconnect the driveline coupler and rock it to make sure that the trans is not holding it. Blocks are not the best insurance because a tractor can climb over one unless it is very large.

I know of one SOS that was a rental being used to pull a sheep's foot roller on the RDU Airport expansion back in the 70's. Tractor was left running while the operator got down - they don't know if it jumped into reverse on its own or if the operator snagged the lever when he got off - but it backed up over the roller and ended up sitting on its back end, nose to the sky. The dealership that rented it was called and they pulled every rental SOS off that job site and sold them to get rid of them. Ergo, not many big SOS tractors in the Raleigh, NC area.

Safety First - you may not get a second chance.

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