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641 workmaster won't stay running

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jim

04-18-2003 19:06:17




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I finally got the coil, distributor cap, points and condenser replaced. It fired right up, ran 4 to 5 seconds and died. Tried to start it immediately and nothing. Talked to a tractor mechanic he said it could be the float on the carborater is stuck. I did add a little carborater cleaner to the fuel prior to these problems. I'm wondering now if this may have loosened some build up in there. But now I don't know what to do next. Thanks Jim, Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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walt morgan

04-24-2003 17:34:27




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
Jim, probly by now you got the thing running. But in all the comments I didn't see one of the first things to check. Did the points not get tightened enough and closed up? Back in the old days I watched real mechanics forget to check this.



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Max

04-20-2003 18:15:17




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
Jim
My 2n was doing the same thing. I hooked my boat fuel tank directly to the carb. When it started to run out of fuel, I would pump the primer ball a couple times to keep it going. This assured me that the thing was starving for fuel. Next thing that I did was to remove the carb, then remove the bowl plug, on the bottom of the carb, to drain the fuel out of it. Now blow into the fuel
intake. You should not be able to blow air into
the carb with the float in the down position.
Now turn the carb upside down, so the float is in the up or working position. Shake and listen to determine that the float is not stuck. You should now be able to blow air thru it,as the jet should be in the open position. If you can't blow thru it, you need to remove the bowl, and gently bend the float up a little. Put the bowl back on, and repeat the process until you can blow the it, with the carb upside down. This will assure you that your float is set so that you do not have a fuel obstruction.
Hope I have explained this process clearly. Good luck

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Oldfarmboy Jim

04-19-2003 20:29:28




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
Is it gettig spark to the plugs? Have your brother-in-law hold the end of a plug wire then crank it over. If he moves like it's Thanksgiving dinner time, then you're getting spark. If no spark, suspect the coil or the small electrical connector inside the distributor that connects the points and condensor to the coil wire terminal.
If it's a fuel problem, check your sediment bowl for foreign particles. You might want to remove the fuel tank and have it cleaned out.
Rebuild the carb just for the fun of it. for $20-30 you can get a rebuild kit. The instructions are pretty clear. USE THE CORRECT SIZE SCREWDRIVER WHEN REMOVING THE JETS and you should have no trouble. I've done this with no prior experience and it worked out fine. Good Luck.

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MarkB

04-19-2003 10:37:50




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
What leads you to believe it's a carburetor problem? See if you can keep it running by shooting starting fluid in the air cleaner. If you can't, the problem probably isn't the carburetor.



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JIM

04-19-2003 11:27:15




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 Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to MarkB, 04-19-2003 10:37:50  
I have not tried starting fluid. So you are saying that spraying starting fluid would by-pass problems in the carburetor,and I could keep it running? JIM



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Darryl Polak

04-19-2003 17:39:08




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 Re: Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to JIM, 04-19-2003 11:27:15  
In the distribiter under mounting plate for points there should be centrifigue weights and two springs springs may be stretched out



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MarkB

04-19-2003 17:35:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to JIM, 04-19-2003 11:27:15  
The idea is prove or disprove the theory that your carburetor is the culprit. The carburetor can fail in one of two ways: Either you're getting too much gas (flooding), or not enough gas (starvation). You haven't indicated that you're seeing symptoms of flooding (black smoke, gas running out the carb), so I'm assuming that you think fuel starvation is the problem.

To test this out, give the air cleaner intake a snort of ether, then try to start. If fuel starvation is the problem, the tractor should fire right up, then start to die. When it starts to die, give it another snort of ether. If your carb is bad, you should be able to keep the tractor running on ether, but it will quit as soon as you stop feeding it the starting fluid.

Go easy with the starting fluid; a little bit goes a long ways.

Something to bear in mind is that it's rarely just one problem with these old tractors. A lot of times they will keep running (poorly) with all kinds of problems, but something minor will happen that will cause them to finally quit. When that happens, you may need to fix two or three things to get them running again.

If it is a carburetor problem, these carbs are fairly simple to overhaul. A common problem is a pinhole leak in the float; shake the float and listen for fluid inside. If there's any gas inside the float, it has to be replaced.

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David (Alabama)

04-18-2003 22:47:16




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
Jim, you've got a couple of filters you need to check "I think". One inside fuel tank and a screen at fuel sediment bowl. Try those first and then maybe carb overhaul. These carbs are not to complicated.
David
P.S. Maybe a filter at fuel inlet to carb also.



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Damon

04-18-2003 19:55:03




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 Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-18-2003 19:06:17  
I think you're right about the carburetor cleaner having loosened up something. Specifically, it probably broke loose a bunch of varnish build-up inside of the fuel tank and stopped up your fuel filter (if you have one) or some of the passages in your carburetor ir you don't have a fuel filter. It's usually not a good idea to put fuel system cleaner type additives in an older machine. Just creates problems.

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jim

04-19-2003 06:34:09




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 Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to Damon, 04-18-2003 19:55:03  
Thanks for the replies. The only filter I have is the screen at the sediment bowl. The tank was flushed out professionally last year. I was just wondering if there might be any thing I could do short of pulling carb and rebuilding. I didn't know if I could pull air intake off and take drain bolt from bottom of carb and spray cleaner in there?? What do you guys think? Thanks Jim



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Scott

04-19-2003 10:16:13




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 Re: Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to jim, 04-19-2003 06:34:09  
Jim, there realy is no substitute for a genuine carb cleaning. If you don't know your way arround a carb, take it to a shop, and have them look it over. Most shops will make house calls for a nominal fee. If you don't know your way arround a tool box, then don't make a mess out of it. That carb cleaner is NOT good on seals.



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JIM

04-19-2003 11:31:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 641 workmaster won't stay running in reply to Scott, 04-19-2003 10:16:13  
There seems to to be some question of whether or not this is a carurater problem. If I can determine if that this is truly the problem I would take it off at the studs and let my local dealer rebuild it and I would put it back on! Thanks JIM



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