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What is live PTO

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bill

03-08-2000 12:23:41




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I have a 1958 Waorkmaster. I am trying to find out more about it. I inherited it. I know nothing about tractors. What is live PTO and how can you tell if it is live or not? Keep it simple but complete. I'm new to this.




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Tommy D. - Terminology

03-09-2000 06:08:25




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 Re: What is live PTO in reply to bill, 03-08-2000 12:23:41  
Good Question! I have asked it before and here's what I believe the terminology "Live" PTO means.

"Live" means that there exists a method to start, operate and stop the PTO regardless of what gear the transmission is in, and regardless of whether the tractor is moving or not. On Ford tractors with "Live" PTO, this is accomplished by the 2 stage clutch mentioned in the other posts. This is simply a separate clutch for the PTO that just happens to be operated by the transmission clutch petal. This simply eliminates having 2 clutch petals.

"Independent" PTO means that the PTO is isolated from the transmission. On the "Non-Live" PTO models, such as the 8N and 641, the PTO is operated from the transmission. If you are brush-hogging and push in the clutch, the tractor will still move forward until the brush-hog's centrifrugal force stops turning the PTO shaft. Many folks have ran through fences because of this, but it is easily fixed with a overrunning coupler, which allows the implement to spin freely without turning the PTO shaft. This type is "Non-Live" beacuse when the clutch is depressed and disengaged, the PTO stops being driven at the same time.

To check yours, first press the clutch petal down with your hand with the tractor shut off. You should "feel" the PTO clutch disengage about 1/2 way down. Then crank her up and, while sitting in the seat and with no implement attached, engage the PTO with the clutch depressed. Put her in gear and let the clutch up slowly and see if the PTO shaft begins to turn before the tractor moves forward. This will be very obvious if you have a 2 stage.

And as always, the serial # on the flat spot above the starter will tell you for sure as well.

Sorry so long-winded and Good Luck!

Tommy D.

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Bill

03-09-2000 06:56:16




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 Re: Re: What is live PTO in reply to Tommy D. - Terminology, 03-09-2000 06:08:25  
Thanks Tommy D.

This keeps getting better and better. I appreciate all of you who have helped me out.

Thanks,

Bill



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Jim(UT)

03-08-2000 18:08:40




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 Re: What is live PTO in reply to bill, 03-08-2000 12:23:41  
If you have a Workmaster, then all we know for sure is that you have a 601 Series tractor. The 601 Series came in several models (641,651,661). The 641 had a 4 speed transmission and non-live PTO. The 651 has a 5 speed trans with non-live PTO. The 661 has a 5 speed trans with live PTO. Look on the left side of the trans, below the battery, there is a horizontal surface above 2 bolt holes. On that surface your model number and serial number will be stamped; unless the battery froze once and spilled all the acid on that area wiping out the numbers. The site below will help you learn more about your tractor. If you can't find any numbers you can test for live pto. The live pto is achieved by a two stage clutch. Push the clutch halfway down, the tractor stops and the pto keeps spinning. Push the clutch all the way down to stop the pto. Check the site. Good luck.

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Bill

03-09-2000 06:52:42




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 Re: Re: What is live PTO in reply to Jim(UT), 03-08-2000 18:08:40  
GREAT ! That sounds like good info. I will check it out. I am beginning to narrow down the specifics of the type of tractor I have and its descrptions. This site has been a life saver. I will tell others, especially any mechanics about this site.



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Charlie in TX

03-08-2000 12:38:08




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 Re: What is live PTO in reply to bill, 03-08-2000 12:23:41  
I believe you have a live pto. From what I have gathered, if you start with the cluch depressed, release it slightly, the pto will ingage. Realeasing the cluch further will ingage the drive wheels.

As an example, with the cluch depressed and with a brush hog attached you release the cluch an inch or so and the hog starts spinning. After the hog is up to speed you release the cluch fully and drive off.

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