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A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one?

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2fordsmike

12-22-1999 19:14:48




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On a trip out west this past fall I happened upon a blue ford engine E2F?8B, transmission 2F21B and rear axle 2F21C, Hydraulic 2F17B. That's all. No sheetmetal, no wheels, no steering, no seat.

Engine complete except somebody stole the starter. This unit came from an indian reservation where it was to help teach tractor mechanics. This unit has never been run and is a gas 3 cyl. I think it is a 4000 row-crop utility because the axle looked mighty long for a 4000 Su. What have we here? It is for sale. Mike H Iowa.

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Doug Engel

01-01-2000 09:40:36




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 Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-22-1999 19:14:48  
I just recently purchased a 4000 from a dealer who converted the SOS to an 8 speed with a transmission and rear end purchased from a technical school. Seems like a few of these Ford donated units are still around. Mine is like new. Sounds like what you found would make someone a great project for an upgrade. Probably never been in the dirt.



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Bill

01-02-2000 13:41:39




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 Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to Doug Engel, 01-01-2000 09:40:36  
Any idea how I could find out what trade schools Ford donated to? I'm looking for exactly what you referred to- ie a good used manual trans to replace the failed sos in my 4000; it is 3cyl dsl, 1964 I think, but not certain; enquiries I've made so far seem to confirm that both the trans and rear end are required to do this conversion



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Shawn

12-22-1999 20:49:01




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 Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-22-1999 19:14:48  
I have one of these tractors. It came out of a tech school. Bought it in an estate sale. motor had very few hours on it. These are usually just motor, tranny and rear end. Has been taken apart so much that stuff is stripped. I have mine running but, I'm looking to put it together with another 4000.



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Tony Jacobs

12-22-1999 19:45:46




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 Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-22-1999 19:14:48  
2fordsmike Moye has a good point about that tractor, when I was in Tech school we use to get brand new GM cars that were damaged in shippment, usually roof damage, that were donated to the school to work on , most had less than 10 miles on them, we took them apart put them back together countless times, and got to drive them around to prove we could do it right. Thanks Tony Jacobs



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2fordsmike

12-23-1999 10:01:20




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 Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to Tony Jacobs , 12-22-1999 19:45:46  
Tony: Do those numbers on the castings mean anything to you? Do they match anything you have and do you know what year and what model this carcass would be matched too?

By the way, this unit was in one piece. Bolt heads appeared to be untouched on the motor except for the valve cover and it appeared to have been removed once or twice. Wish I knew the exact model. I'd look for a non-working SOS, or help some of you guys who might have bad SOS.Mike H

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Tony Jacobs

12-23-1999 20:24:32




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 Re: Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-23-1999 10:01:20  
Mike The best place to get the numbers on that tractor is the OAKTREE WEB SITE, His specialty is the 1965 and up Thousand series Ford tractors, My specialty is 1953-1964 Ford tractors mostly do to fact that those were the most popular years for the Elenco front wheel assist, Thanks Tony Jacobs



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2fordsmike

12-25-1999 11:07:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to Tony Jacobs , 12-23-1999 20:24:32  
Thanks Tony, please advise how to get Oaktree. I tried Http;//oaktree.com and that web site did not seem correct. It's Christmas and I'd give away the location of that 4000 carcass which is for sale for $1,500. Someone could create a tractor with totally new mechanicals. I might do it myself if I can identify the precise model. It would be a nice brother for my 8N and Jubilee. Thanks again. Mike H

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Nathan(GA)

12-25-1999 19:46:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-25-1999 11:07:37  
Mike, Try the link below.



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2fordmike

12-27-1999 09:40:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to Nathan(GA), 12-25-1999 19:46:56  
Thanks . Oaktree a big help. But still mysteries.

Serial number 349164 indicates a 1971. The production codes, such as transmission 2F21B suggest mid 1972. Other good information includes the decoding of the model which is D102?, which indicates all-purpose model 4000, gas, 8-speed, 540 rpm (but clutch pedal acted like a 2-stage which I fooled with it.) Anyone got a very weary 1972 4000 or diesel with an SOS that would turn this 4000 carcass into a like-new tractor?

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Moye

12-22-1999 19:34:23




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 Re: A new 4000 or? Experts ponder this one? in reply to 2fordsmike, 12-22-1999 19:14:48  
Back in the '60's (late '60's I think) Ford made several of these chassis avaliable to High Schools, Tech Schools, etc. to teach tractor mechanics. I know of two which were in local high school Ag Departments. I do not know what the deal was as this was before I started teaching, nor do I know what happened to any of them. The ones I was familiar with were taken apart and put together several times and would still run 20 years ago. Today, who knows? Maybe someone who worked with Ford back then can give more Info. Moye

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