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Something really terrible happened today

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Frank Biscardi

02-02-2002 16:54:41




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Friends,

I have a 1950 T0-20.It was probably rebuilt about 200 hours ago. The man who did it told me he had a complete set of things to replace but the only thing he changed was a cylinder sleeve.The tractor has done well, but I only use it for light use.

Today I checked the antifreeze- good to - 25 F, but a little lower then when I topped her off this summer.Started right up . I did some pretty heavy bush hogging today through some heavy brush on a hill that was too darn steep . After 1 1/2 hrs I quit. The only problem was that it cut off going up a hill backward while she was bhogging through heavy brush and wouldn't start till I rolled her onto flat ground.

When I was driving her home the oil pressure was about 4 less then usual, but increased when I throttled her up to 20. When I put her to bed I noticed antifreeze comming out the vent tube to the valve cover. The oil seems thin and smells like gas- no water in oil.

I don't know if I blew the head gasket or cracked the block.

What did I do to her?
Is it the block or head?

I can do tne ups and carbs but have never done heavy engine work. I would probably have to hire this out. The tractor runs fine. Can I just ignore it if I use her for light use?

Thanks

Frank

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dennis

02-04-2002 14:10:11




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 Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank Biscardi, 02-02-2002 16:54:41  
don't see it mentioned below but when you pull the head look for cracks in the narrow spots between the cylinders. it's not uncommon for the blocks to crack there. if so you'll need to weld or pin it. Or others have just suggested sealers of various types. My guess is that if the engine was good at the time of the overhaul and if you haven't run it out of water since or frozen it since, you've got a gasket problem. keep your fingers crossed.

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Dennis

02-04-2002 09:21:53




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 Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank Biscardi, 02-02-2002 16:54:41  
if you've got antifreeze in the oil, change the oil right away and asap run plain water in the radiator so that the antifreeze will be washed out of the bearings and piston rings. Antifreeze will attack the aluminum pistons if left in there causing the rings to seize in their grooves causing oil burning and/or loss of compression.

I know, been there, done that.

I've also heard that the bearings can be damaged. Don't know about that for sure as I had none, but I did need to re-ring.

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Chuck (CA)

02-03-2002 21:10:53




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 Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank Biscardi, 02-02-2002 16:54:41  
Hi Frank,
Like Mark said, it could be a head gasket, cracked block, or both. I would do a compression check first, both wet and dry, and then go from there. Replacing a head gasket is not too bad and would be the first thing I would try.. Sort of a process of elimination thing. After you replace it,change the oil, run her for about an hour and then re-torque the heads. Believe me; if anti-freeze is running out the vent tube, you gots water in the oil. :-( If you got a cracked block, Mark may be able to help you. Am I right Mark?
Keep us posted on what you find out.

Chuck

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Mark Hendershot

02-04-2002 10:22:00




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 Re: Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Chuck (CA), 02-03-2002 21:10:53  
Now that I got another Ferguson I think I might keep the block I have. I now need a intake manifold and I sold one for haft of what I am now going pay for another for the new tractor! Mark H.



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Mark Hendershot

02-02-2002 18:46:53




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 Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank Biscardi, 02-02-2002 16:54:41  
Could be both. But I would pull the head and find out what happen. Antifreeze coming out the vent tube means it is not in the right place and it got there by a blown head gaskit or maybe a sleave problem with a O-Ring seal or worst case a cracked block. Pulling the head is not that bad to do get a manual and give it a shot you can do it. Mark H.



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Frank Biscardi

02-03-2002 09:59:18




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 Re: Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Mark Hendershot, 02-02-2002 18:46:53  
Once I have the head off I should be able to see the top of the block- no? Will I be able to see if there is a crack in the block or do I have to take everything down to the bearings?

If it is a head gasket, will it hurt to use the tractor as is?

Frank



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Mark Hendershot

02-03-2002 19:38:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank Biscardi, 02-03-2002 09:59:18  
You should be able to see if the head gaskit is good. As far a cracks in the block they would probly be seen from below better if you pull the pan and take a look up at the cylinder sleeves to see if water is seeping out around the bottom. It is hard to see a crack between them unless its big or very clean. If you have a blown head gaskit fix it you can damage pistons or other parts with the leakage, even thining the oil and ruining the bearings. You will be able to tell if the gaskit is bad. Do a compression check first to see if there are other problems too. Mark H.

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Frank (VA)

02-03-2002 20:49:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Mark Hendershot, 02-03-2002 19:38:07  
Mark,

Thanks,

I ordered a shop manual and will give the head gasket a look.

Frank

PS. Do you think I overworked the tractor too much, or do these things just happen?



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Mark Hendershot

02-04-2002 06:49:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Something really terrible happened today in reply to Frank (VA), 02-03-2002 20:49:16  
That can happen if you overwork it or just age on the Gaskit seal. You should have a water Temp gauge and watch it closely when working the tractor it will let you know if your working it hard. Mark H.



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