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TE20 ?? help on general info

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Vic S.

09-25-1999 00:38:49




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I left a similar message on general tractor page. I have found an old TE 20 I guess. Serial tag says TE59868 build in Coventry England by the Standard Motor Co. Now I have read all the pages I could in the last 3 hours. Ok...built 1948 and in England as tag says. How do I know what engine for sure. It is overhead valve and I thought they werent out till mid 50s era. If it is 1948 then why is Ford still using flatheads in 1953 on the 8ns. Some web pages say the TE uses Continental engine and the TO use engine build by Standard motor co. This seems backwords. Why would a tractor built in England go to US and ship engines back...Unless Im wrong that Continental engines are made in US. Well as yoiu can see Im really confused now. Help me out. Is this tractor going to be better for me for $1000.oo if I dont sink another $1000 into it than a Ford 8n for around 2000. I feel if it has live PTO (Ford doesnt) and if the "S" on xmission means SLOW (Fords lowest gear is 1st) Then this is a better deal. Plus I like the overhead valve better than the Ford flathead. Am I making any sense yet. Any help you can be will be appreciated and used accordingly.. Thanks so much :) Vic

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Dave

10-15-2003 11:38:22




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
I think the s on the trany was for the old starters. they made you use the gear shifter to start the tractor. A safty measure



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dave w

03-18-2002 02:59:28




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
Hello vic

The s where the gearstick is means STARTER, ON MINE 1948 TEA20 you have to engage this to start the engine using 6V battery.

Dave



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ZANE

10-02-1999 17:54:31




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
The S on the transmission is for start.That is where you put the transmission lever to engage the starter if it is original set up.

I have a TO 20 and it is a 50 model and has the contenental engine with overhead valves. It is a superior engine to the N engine.

The tractor does not have a live powertake off nor does the N Ford tractors. Nor does it have live hydraulics. If the clutch is disengaged the lift does not work as it is driven by the PTO in the Ferguson and the N Ford.

The hydraulic lift on the TO Ferguson and the 9N and 2N Ford do not have position control as an option on the lift. I have however invented a device that I am presently marketing as the ZANE THANG that will give you the option of position control on these tractors just like the later tractors that do have position control.It is simple to install and inexpensive.Nothing is altered on the tractor.Just an addition on the existing hardware.

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keith

09-28-1999 08:38:02




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
For any information regarding ferguson tractors contact the ferguson club in the UK at [email protected] this address leads you to the editor and archivist Alan Dunderdale

Keith



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Vic S. Well guys I bout my firt one for $800.oo

09-26-1999 18:58:48




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
Thanks to all for the information. I went out last night and got some gas and actually got the old beast running even though it has sat for 1 year. After putting 1 gallon of water in radiator I saw it was mixed with nice green antifreeze so Im sure the block is ok. I had it running even though it was very rough....no smoke at all. Tank was reaking with varnish and had to blow by mouth fuel through it into carb. But it did run and I drove that old heap in all 4 gears and reverse. Lift works great and smooth. Brakes are little wet with rear seal leakage. PTO works smooth. Hopefully I can put new rear axle seals and rebuild carb and not have to do engine rebuild but even if i do ....I should be able to stay less than 2000 total after paying only 800 for tractor. Thanks again for all advice guys.

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Chuck(CA)

09-25-1999 20:29:34




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
Hi Vic.
Well, first of all, I think the S actually stands for "start". You used to start the Fergies by pushing the gear shift lever to start it. The big problem was if you accidentally pushed the lever to "S" when the motor was running, it was equivalent to turning the key in your car to the start position after the motor was running... All kinds of terrible noises and grinding gears while the starter tries to hook up with the spinning flywheel. I believe most Fergie owners relocated the start switch to the dashboard (unless they're restoring it to factory correctness.)
You're right in believing the Continental engines were for the TO series. At least my TO-30 has the Continental.
I don't know when and if the Fergies had a flathead. IMHO the overhead is a better way to go. Also, I believe the TE-20 has more power than the N and the live PTO is definitely a plus.
Man, if you can get it for a grand, it's a steal. Even if you had to put another thousand into it, it would still be a bargain; at least where I am. (the central valley area of California.)
Hopefully, some of the more knowledgable guys out there can give you more info than I can.
Good luck,
Chuck

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Andy

09-27-1999 18:18:33




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 Re: Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Chuck(CA), 09-25-1999 20:29:34  
Did the TE20 have "live pto"? I have a 53 TO30 and it has a standard pto, by standard I mean clutch goes in everything stops. Live pto to me is when your pto continues to operate independant of the clutch position (in or out). Correct me if this is wrong.. Thanks



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Vic S.

09-29-1999 22:58:44




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 Re: Re: Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Andy, 09-27-1999 18:18:33  
Dont all ptos have to use the clutch? How would you engage a running motor against a non moving attatchment. You would grind off your pto engage gear I would think. Unless the pto engage uses a special design to allow it to be engaged and softly start the attatchment. But the TE20 does not need the transmission in gear like the Ford 8n does. On the 8n if you push in clutch then the motor does not drive the PTO but the PTO is still coupled to the drive of the transmission and you put the brakes on but will not stop till the attatchment stops spinning. Thats why they sell those ratchet devices for the pto shaft. It lets bushog coast and not push you forward when you push clutch and hit brakes. But when motor spins and you realease clutch then the ratchet device will pull blades . You can obviously tell I really havent been around tractors before...Just learning...I need to stop by the tractor shop and ask more questions.

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Greg Aust.

10-08-2000 06:03:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-29-1999 22:58:44  
Excuse my ignorance guys, I have worked out a bushog is what we call a slasher "down under" but I have not seen a rachet device to fit on PTO shaft to stop the bushog pushing me where I don't want to go. Can anyone enlighten me please.
Regards Greg



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Larry In St. Johns, MI

12-06-2000 12:06:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Greg Aust., 10-08-2000 06:03:46  
Greg Aus:

The item referred to for the PTO I believe is known as an "overrunning clutch." I have not used one, but it works the same way as the freewheel on a multi-speed bicycle. When you coast (stop pedalling), the bicycle keeps rolling, and you hear the pawls (spring-loaded arms) clicking as they "overrun" the internal teeth inside the freewheel.

For the tractor, this keeps the running slasher from fouling up the PTO shaft and pump when the tractor is shut down suddenly. Not too expensive, but well worth saving the PTO pump.

Regards,

Larry

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Chuck(CA)

09-27-1999 22:34:52




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 Re: Re: Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Andy, 09-27-1999 18:18:33  
Hi Andy,
It could be me whose wrong, but I always thought a live PTO meant you could run the PTO whether you were in gear or in neutral. For example;
If you wanted to work a post hole digger, you just leave it in neutral with PTO engaged.
If it were'nt live, it would only work when you're in gear and moving. I believe all PTO's stop when the clutch is in, otherwise, a bush hog would be one formidable SOB when you come to a stop.
Can someone out there who knows for sure clarify this? I would sure appreciate it.

Chuck

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Tex Ferguson

09-25-1999 08:09:33




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 Re: TE20 ?? help on general info in reply to Vic S., 09-25-1999 00:38:49  
Hi again Vic! I put a note on the GeneralForum also. some TE's have the Continental Z120 engine and others have a British-built Standard engine. My 49 model has the Z. I have found 1st gear just right for doing the things you mentioned: shredding and light blading. 2nd is fine for shredding light stuff. I've been watching Ferguson notes on this site for a couple of years and haven't seen any really bad mechanical woes -- mostly faulty ignition wiring/parts, worn 3-point pump and similar smaller stuff. Don't know what the problems are on the FordN page.
I first got a Ford from a dealer then found out the block was cracked and exchanged it for my TE-20, and I have been very happy with it. My advice: go for the Fergie!

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