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Spluttery TE20

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Mike

08-11-2001 11:04:27




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Having stood for years my TE20 fired right up but is very spluttery. I believe the mixtures to be out. It also reguarly makes a regular popping noise, (posibly backfiring). There appear to be two mixture screws from what I can work out, one at the base of the carb with a big head and a funny lump on it and another half way up the carb with a small slotted head. What do these individual screws control, and how should I go about making the adjustment?
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Mike

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dennis

08-11-2001 17:02:21




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 Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Mike, 08-11-2001 11:04:27  
I'd suspect a gummed up carb if it wasn't totally drained when put away. That means it comes apart and gets cleaned.



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Mike

08-12-2001 04:27:34




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 Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to dennis, 08-11-2001 17:02:21  
Thanks for the reply Dennis but the carb was thouroughly cleaned just before I got the tractor running.
It is a British mabe ZENITH carb if this helps anyone.
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Mike



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Bernie

08-12-2001 16:45:38




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 Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Mike, 08-12-2001 04:27:34  
Hi there,

The carb that you have is a Zeinth 24T-2 , (if your tractor is a TEA 20). The small upper slotted screw is the "Slow running adjustment". Screw it in the mixture gets leaner, back it out the mixture gets richer. The usual setting is about one complete turn open from the fully closed position. Never less than one turn as the fuel is used to cool the valves. The lower large screw is the main jet adjuster. Standard adjustment is out one turn. Again never less than one turn due to valve cooling. If you plan on doing "heavy" work with your tractor then you'll need to open the main jet more. Good luck!

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Mike (update)

08-13-2001 09:03:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Bernie , 08-12-2001 16:45:38  
I have established that the problem is definatley not with the carb. I have two TED20's, one runs well, the other Iam tring to get running. I put the carb from the one that runs well onto the other tractor and it did exactly the same thing - consistantley backfired through the exhaust and made a poping noise through the air filter.
I know that the timming is correct.
The leads are new and definatley in the correct order. The distributar cap, rotar arm, plugs and points are also new.
The only thing left that I have not tested is the coil, although since the tractor runs I hardly think it's that.
Please guy's, any help is much appreciated, I realy don't know what to do!
Thanks Mike

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Bernie

08-14-2001 06:20:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Mike (update), 08-13-2001 09:03:25  
Hello again...

About the only other thing that would cause backfiring through the intake side of the engine is valves! Basic engine timing, incorrectly adjusted valves (they don't close properly, particularly when hot as the valve clearances disappear when the engine warms up), and worst of all(for your wallet anyways) one or more valves are burnt. I'd suggest a compression test. The manual reccommends a figure of around 100psi as normal. I've recently completed a valve job on my TEA20. I brought the compression from 60psi to 105psi just by replacing a few valves and grinding the seats and valves. Let me know what yours is...

Bernie

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Mike (second update)

08-14-2001 10:50:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Bernie, 08-14-2001 06:20:08  
Thanks Bernie, I removed the rocker cover to inspect the valves and I found something most suprising:- The valve clearence was between 4-6(mm) on each valve (0.15-0.23)inch's! This is obviously hudge!
I set the valve clearence to 0.015 (cold) as instructed by owners on this site during my rebuild. I thought I had done the nuts up tightly after making the adjustment but clearly not.
I shall try resetting the clearences and doing the nuts up even tighter!

However Iam not convinced that this is the only problem. As you said, if an inlet valve was not completly closing then this would explain by backfire through the air filter. My valves are completetly closing but are not openning far enough. I took your advice and performed a compression test, I had good even readings on all cylinders of around 90 p.s.i. This confirmed that my valves are closing and sealing correctly.

So do you think excesive valve clearence explains my problems, or should I be looking at anything else before I reasemble?
Many thanks Mike

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Bernie

08-14-2001 19:25:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Mike (second update), 08-14-2001 10:50:09  
Hi Mike,

Glad that you pulled the cover... It's possible??? that one or more of your pushrods were moving slightly out of position due to the excessive valve clearance thereby causing the valve(s) to stay open... A guess... With the cover off I'd remove the distributor cap noting the position of the #1 cylinder with regards to the rotor position and the #1 spark plug lead on the cap... I'd then turn the engine through its rotation watching each valve open then close in sequence ie: intake open then close, then rotor aligned with #1 position on distributor, then exhaust valve opens etc. Do that for all 4 cylinbers. If all looks well replace the valve cover and distributor cap and give her a whirl... Please let me know what you find/happens.

Bernie

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Mike (Problem solved)

08-15-2001 10:29:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: spluttery TE20 in reply to Bernie, 08-14-2001 19:25:20  
Bernie, she's running like a dream! I could see no evidence of anything wrong other that the valve clearence. I reset the clearence to 0.015 (Cold) and she ran beautifully. I warmed her up and then pulled the rocker cover again to check that the clearence had not altered, it hadn't.
Iam not quite sure why excesive clearence would cause backfiring through the carb, but the problem seems to be fixed. I guess that the clearence was just so far out that the engine could not opperate correctly.
Many thanks for all your help, (I was quite worried for a while there!)
Mike

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