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Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20

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David, MI

07-15-2001 20:58:31




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Hi all: I know this was not the way they were standardly equipped, but I am in the process of
installing a temperture gauge in my TO-20. All is fine except that the outside diameter of the sender is 3/8 inch and the inside diameter of the hole in the radiator neck is a hair over 5/16 inch. The part numbers for the neck are the same for a TO-20 and TO-30. The gauge I am trying to install is a TISCO universal. Is this the problem (aftermarket !@%%!!!), or should I remove the radiator neck and bore out the inside diameter of the hole? Has someone had their TO-30 temp sender out recently that you might know the dimensions of the piece that inserts/screws into the radiator neck? Has anyone installed a temp gauge in a TO-20? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, David, MI

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Duner Wi

07-16-2001 04:48:21




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 Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to David, MI, 07-15-2001 20:58:31  
On my TO 20 I installed a bulb type gauge right below the upper rad. hose on the left side. There is a plug there and I used a piece of copper tubing over the bulb so it would seal. With out the copper tubing the bulb would not seal. Correct length is important. Has been working for over 20 years.



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David, MI

07-16-2001 06:41:31




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 Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Duner Wi, 07-16-2001 04:48:21  
Duner: Thanks. As far as I can tell, the issue is the diameter of the capillary bulb that fits in the cast neck and is held in place by a brass compression fitting. Thanks again, David, MI



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Neal(IN)

07-16-2001 03:48:17




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 Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to David, MI, 07-15-2001 20:58:31  
David

I just put a TISCO gauge in my TO-20 and had the same problem. I bought a small stiff wire wheel that would fit inside the hole where the sender goes and cleaned out all the rust. After that the sender went right in. It is a very snug fit, which is good, so it doesn't take much crud to make it not fit. You could probably get the same result with sandpaper on a piece of dowel.

Neal



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David, MI

07-16-2001 22:06:17




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 Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Neal(IN), 07-16-2001 03:48:17  
Neal: Hi. Tonight, I pulled the radiator neck and ran a 3/8 inch twist drill bit backward in the hole. It cleaned up nicely and I can now slide the temperature sending unit capillary bulb into its cavity. When you installed your temp sending unit, did you have a washer to place between the retaining nut and the casting? Thanks again for your input. David, MI



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Neal(IN)

07-17-2001 03:48:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to David, MI, 07-16-2001 22:06:17  
David
Good to hear your gauge problem is solved. There were no washers in the gauge package I bought.
All of the wire harness clips were missing off my 20 so I just used tie wraps. Getting some replacement clips is on my list of things to do.
My dash has a temp gauge, volt meter, oil pressure gauge and tachometer. When I bought the tractor it had the oil pressure and an ammeter so I had to add a hole for the temp and one for the tach.

Neal

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David, MI

07-17-2001 07:54:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Neal(IN), 07-17-2001 03:48:49  
Neal: Thanks for the added information. Does one of your pictures show where you located your two additional gauges? If not, could you describe what you did as far as location. I placed my temperature gauge to the left of the ammeter on the left side of the dash panel.

I looked into wire clips and found that Massey only supplies two: p/n 180739M1 and 1750678M1. Its hard to tell from the catalogue what they actually look like. At a local auto store (Murrays Discount Auto) I found brake line clips that are fairly close to the original clips, except they will only work with a smaller bolt (1/4 inch to maybe 3/8 inch). For the temp gauge capillary line clips, I went to a local tractor repair shop and purchased used ones to go on the two head bolts (left side; front and rear). These allow the capillary line to be slid into the clip. I am in the process of trying to bend 1/4 inch brake line to have a conduit for light wiring that will be clipped along the oil pan (hence the brake line clips) and under the front axle and up in front of the radiator. Sorry for the long post. David, MI

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Neal(IN)

07-17-2001 09:54:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to David, MI, 07-17-2001 07:54:46  
David
I have taken pictures but haven't finished the roll of film. I really need to get a digital camera.
The original dash had one hole on each side of the steering column. I added a second hole to the right side. These two hold the oil pressure and volts. The left side was tricky. The tachometer requires a hole just over 3 inches. I placed it as close as I could to the column. This also took out the original small hole so I put another small hole to the left and below the tach for the temp gauge.
No need to apologize to me of all people for long posts. Besides you gave me some great information.
Thanks.

Neal

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John

07-17-2001 18:03:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Neal(IN), 07-17-2001 09:54:44  
Neal, What kind of tach did you use? I want to put a tach and temp. gauge in mine to. Thanks!



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Neal(IN)

07-18-2001 03:54:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to John, 07-17-2001 18:03:40  
John

The Tach is a DATCON that I bought from Genesee. You can find their web site under Parts Suppliers on this site. It is a great addition in my opinion. It is quite expensive and because it is so big its tricky to get it in the dash. You should check the voltage requirements.

Neal



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David, MI

07-17-2001 12:26:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Neal(IN), 07-17-2001 09:54:44  
Neal: Thanks. Your description of the right side dash makes sense. On the left side you talk about a "small hole"--is this a 2 inch hole? So, if I understand, the tachometer went high and near the steering column and the temperature gauge went to the left and lower than the tachometer. Would this also mean that the lower edge of both the temp gauge and the tachometer are parallel to the lower edge of the dash panel? Sorry, I am sounding pretty anal--just trying to visualize what you did.

When I drilled out the hole for my temp gauge, I placed it where a 3/8 inch hole was (holding a resistor block). In order to use the hole saw, I needed a good pilot hole--right where that 3/8 inch hole was! So, I used a body style washer with a 1/4 inch hole which I initally threaded for a 1/4 inch bolt so I could bolt the washer to the dash panel while I soldered it in place. This worked fine for the 2 inch hole saw. I did all my work from the back side of the dash panel, as I would have had to remove the steering wheel to do it from the front side. I look forward to seeing your pictures when they are developed. Thanks, David, MI

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Neal(IN)

07-18-2001 04:02:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to David, MI, 07-17-2001 12:26:10  
David

On the left side the center line of the gauges is about 4 1/2 inches up from the bottom of the dash.
The right side of the tach is almost touching the cast part of the steering coulmn that the dash bolts to. The temp gauge is very close to touching the tach and is also very close to the left edge of the dash. When I said lower I was thinking that the top of the temp gauge was lower than the top of the tach. Not a good description given the difference in size.
Also when I said small hole I was referring to the 2 inch hole for the gauges other than the tach.

Neal

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David, MI

07-16-2001 06:51:55




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 Re: Re: Installing Temperature Gauge in TO-20 in reply to Neal(IN), 07-16-2001 03:48:17  
Neal: Thanks, your information is encouraging. A local service facility suggested that the cast boring may have a small reducer in it that needs to be removed first, though I think what you found with yours is likely what is going on with mine. Did you remove the cast neck piece to clean it up? When you installed your temperature gauge, did you locate it in the dash (i.e. cut out a hole? I cut a 2 inch hole to the left of the ammeter. Also, did you use the TO-30 style clips to support/run the temperature capillary line along the lower edge of the head (one secured under each of the left side front and rear head bolts)? Thanks for the detail Neal, David, MI

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