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TO30 Missing oil filter unit

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Mike Kennedy

07-10-2001 18:38:35




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All that I wanted was a cool old tractor(TO30) to bush hog a couple of acres. The old guy that sold it to me said that she was ready to go and had 50 more years in her. The fresh paint looked good and she started right up and did not smoke.

I was the guy looking for a fan shroud. I now have bigger problems.

Having got hold of an operators manual, I start reading and find out that my oil filter and assembly have at some point been removed from the tractor. I am sure that this cannot be good. The oil on the dipstick is very clean, but I have had it for less than 30 days and have been working on it more that I have been able to use it. Is it hard to find the oil filter assembly? If and when I find one, how hard is it to put back in? There are no obvious leaks which leads me to believe that when it was removed, it was sealed up pretty good. Will I be able to open up the orifices without dismantly the whole tractor?

In addition to the above dilema, when I checked the rear dip stick, the oil appeared milky. What is that all about.

The tractor seems to run fine until it is put under a load and then it will only run for 20 minutes before sputtering and backfiring and cutting out.

Is all lost, or is there hope in this cool old tractor. I am open to any advise and appreciate the feedback. Thanks, Mike

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Ray,IN

07-11-2001 20:07:35




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 Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-10-2001 18:38:35  
All the guys gave good suggestions. May I add to them the following:
I'd start with the easiest to fix, drain the carb. bowl(large screw near bottom), sediment bowl, fuel line and clean with spray carb. cleaner. The fuel screen in the sediment bowl and carb. inlet should be cleaned also. Do NOT use compressed air! You will blow the screen into the carb.,rendering it useless. Drain the gas tank into a container by opening the fuel shutoff completely. You'll be surprised by the amount of junk that comes out. When all is clean, add a bottle of carb,fuel system cleaner to tank then fill with fresh fuel. These old H.Ferguson engines seem to run forever, but neglect causes lots of headaches down the line. The gearshift boot will leak water into the transmission,seal it to the lever with a good silicone sealer. New parts are available from the suppliers listed at left.Three drain plugs must be removed to drain all the trans/hyd/diff oil,refill with 80W straight mineral oil. The additives in the new oils will slowly destroy the original seals. You will benefit by buying a owners manual from a MF dealer(<$25). That's all I can add.

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Mike Kennedy

07-14-2001 19:50:23




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 Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Ray,IN, 07-11-2001 20:07:35  
Ray,
I think that you may have hit the nail right on the head. When I took off the tank to drain and turned the gas valve, there was barely a trickle. It was so clogged with sediment, it was a wonder the tractor would even start. As you said, I could not believe how much muck was in that tank.

I have used carb cleaner to clean the stand pipe in the glass bowl holder. My screen was in very bad shape and will need to be replaced as was the gasket (cork). The screen that goes up into the tank was pushed in, and I do not think that I will be able to get it out. Is this a part that is available, or can I just get some fine screen and put together a makeshift?

I was going to flush the tank a couple of more times tomorrow. Some people have suggested that I put a water hose in it, but I have been hesitant to do that. Do you think it would be okay?

I also tried to find some plain 80 wt. mineral oil. Do you get that at a tractor store? My local Western Auto did not carry, however it appeared that most of the trans oils had some mineral oils in them. I will try a few more places.

Thanks again for your help.

Mike

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Phil Fenner

07-14-2001 21:51:27




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 Re: Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-14-2001 19:50:23  
The mineral oil can be purchased from a M-F dealer .



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Ford Man

07-11-2001 19:06:56




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 Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-10-2001 18:38:35  
I have to agree with the other guys , sounds like either you have a 30 with a Z120 engine or you have a Ferguson 20 instead of a 30 .

Your manual should cover both models and you can use it to find out exactly what you have .

I would take a look at the plugs , plug wires , dist. cap , and coil . The plug wires were hooked up wrong on my 30 when I bought it . It would run and drive around fine but would not pull a load without sputtering and belching smoke .

Good luck and let us know what you find out !

Ford Man

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Phil (VA)

07-11-2001 06:48:22




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 Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-10-2001 18:38:35  
As Jim notes, check that you might have a TO20 engine in your TO30 tractor. What are first four characters of engine number? Should be Z129. If it's Z120, you have a TO20 engine which had oil filter inside pan. Either engine will bolt up to the bell housing so it is possible someone swapped engines. Milky hydraulic no biggie. Just change it. As Jim notes, check electrical first for cutting out problem, but it could be gas flow, or carb problem. Keep the faith. Even if it has a TO20 engine it may still be a good tractor, although I'd want to talk with the seller if he represented it as a TO30 and didn't tell you it had a TO20 engine... even tho' it's always buyer beware.

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Jim-Pa

07-10-2001 20:01:02




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 Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-10-2001 18:38:35  
No oil filter! That isn't good. Just for the he11 of it Mike, look on the bottom of the oil pan and see if the oil pan drain plug is about 6 inches in diameter. I am wondering if someone put a TO-20 engine on your tractor. On them the oil filter is up inside the oil pan. Milky oil means it has water in it. You need to change it. And if you park it outside you must cover it to keep the water out. If all the gaskets and seals are good they are pretty water tight, but after 50 years there are bound to be a bad one or two.
By backfire I guess you mean muffler explosion, where unburned gas is being ignited in the exhaust system. Have you tried a jumper wire from the battery to the switch side of the coil. That will tell you if you switch is good or not. If it still backfires and misses try another coil. I would hate to buy a new coil to try but maybe you could borrow one from someone. The Dodge pickups used a 6 volt coil at least into the late 70s. That is if your tractor is still 6 volt. If the coil is good change the condenser. The only other thing that I think it could be is the valves adjusted too tight.

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Mike Kennedy

07-11-2001 19:29:21




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 Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Jim-Pa, 07-10-2001 20:01:02  
You guys know your stuff. I have been bamboozled! It appears that by the number on the engine Z120A600 that I have a TO20 (they even tried to file off the 0 in the 120). It also appears by the serial number, 46324, that I have a 1951 TO20 with TO30 emblems on the sides of the hood. You can't trust anyone now days.

Well at least I know what I am working with now.

Thanks to Jim, Phil and Ford man for the advice. At least I feel better about the missing oil filter.

I hope to put your ideas to the task this weekend and see what happens.

Man, I have a TO20!

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Ford Man

07-12-2001 15:11:03




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 Re: Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-11-2001 19:29:21  
Mike,
You still have a very good tractor , just a little less hp than a 30 ( the 20 is probably about the same as my Ford 2N ) .

Who knows when the "switch" in models happened . When I bought my 2N , the guy said it was a 9N . I know this is not the same as between a 20 and a 30 , but with the 30 emblems on the hood , he may have not known any better unless he dealt in tractors pretty regularly.

You would be surprised how little the folks at our local MF dealer know about the older Fergusons !

Everything on my Ferguson tractor indicates it is a 30 but I didn't pay a whole lot for it anyway .It is a heck of a good tractor and I think you will enjoy yours .

Anyway , let us know how things work out for you , be sure and get an ORC before you bushog .

Ford Man

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Mike Kennedy

07-12-2001 20:07:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Ford Man, 07-12-2001 15:11:03  
Ford Man,
What is an ORC. I have been considering purchasing a Zane Thang. Is that a similar type unit. Please let me know.

I know that when I have tried to bush hog as is, it is a constant challenge to keep the mower at the height that I would like it. More importantly to keep the shaft from banging when it comes up too high. I hate when that happens.

Regarding the carb, I have taken the lower screw out and drained about a quart of fuel. I will try the whole tank and try the cleaning that you suggested.

Thanks, Mike

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Ford Man

07-13-2001 15:14:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TO30 Missing oil filter unit in reply to Mike Kennedy, 07-12-2001 20:07:43  
Mike,
ORC is short for "overunning coupler" .

Your 20 does not have live PTO so when you mash in the clutch , the PTO stops turning .

The blades on your bushog will act like a flywheel and continue to turn when you mash in the clutch on the tractor . The bushog shaft will then turn the PTo on the tractor and "feed" power into the tractor's tranny and give you a pretty hefty shove into or onto whatever is in front of you !

The ORC is just a big ratchet and prevents feedback to the tranny . I got mine at Tractor Supply for about $60 .

My Dad has bushog without an ORC when he was young and he absolutely insisted that I get one BEFORE I ever bushoged .

The reason that your bushog goes up and down is because you have draft control but not position control . There are many explanations in the archives . Zane Thang will give you position control and will stop your problem .

Good Luck !
Ford Man

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