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te split, no go together

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Douginh

05-21-2008 14:09:06




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Got the te20 split,all the stuff changed. Then closing back up it comes within .350 and locks up solid. Stipped to bolt holes, gotta go to bigger size trying to draw it in and wiggle, and this and that...Clutch plates in right. I think .350 is to close to say pilot too. Thoughts please




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John (UK)

05-23-2008 06:23:24




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
The hub on the clutch plate should be away from the engine when you fit it. Make sure that the clutch pedal is not adjusted too tight and wont allow it to go back. Make sure that the clutch plate will slide easily onto the drive shaft all the way. Other than that make sure that it is level and the gap is equal all the way around the Clutch housing when you try to pull it together, do not use any bolts to pull it closed or you will damage the clutch plate, you can use them as a guide only. If you have doubts about the pilot bearing being the culprit, it is better to take the engine out and make sure that it will fit on the drive shaft. You will need to reset the engine governor linkage when you put the engine back, if you need the info on how to do it, just email me....John

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gshadel

05-22-2008 13:42:19




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
I've pulled a few engines together in my day, literally just a few though, like... 3. But! my first engine switch would not go together, kind-of like yours... except mine was a 1970 Pontiac... I learned a LOT about cars that summer!
An old mechanic told me to take some all-thread, cut long pieces and thread them into the bell housing.. or engine, whichever end was threaded, all the way, and use them like rails to help line-up the engine and bell housing. Then use nuts on the all thread to pull the engine together, and to wobble and shake the engine left & right vigorously to get the input splines to line-up with your clutch splines. Of course the old guy described that process a lot more colorfully than I just did. Anyway, I went home that night, did what he said, that engine went right together in a few minutes, where I had worn myself out for hours trying to get them together the day before. I've done the same ever since, including my TO. I had my tranny-end on a jack, and rented an engine hoist with wheels. All-thread, vigorous wiggling back and forth, a couple adjustments on the jack height to try to get the angle right... and it went right home. Only had the engine hoist for ~2 hours. I was worried because I did not have a clutch alignment tool or an old input shaft... I used a home-made jig made of sockets and tape to make the alignment tool... it worked. I've heard guys say to unbolt your input shaft and pull from the tranny and use that as your clutch alignment tool, then re-install on the tranny

George

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Jerry/MT

05-21-2008 17:11:18




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
Did you use a clutch pilot tool to line up the clutch opening with the pilot hole in the flywheel? It sounds to me like the transmission input shaft is through the splined clutch bore but it"s not in line with the pilot bearing bore. If that"s the case, you"ll have to pull it back apart and get a clutch pilot tool in there and get everything aligned. Whatever you do, don"t try yo force anything. When you get it right it"ll slide in.

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Richard L

05-21-2008 15:26:41




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
Doug is it possible to turn the flywheel somehow to see if turning it will align things up? It is possible something is not lined up EXACTLY so as you say move or twist it to see if it will line up. Richard



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Richard L

05-21-2008 15:26:27




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
Doug is it possible to turn the flywheel somehow to see if turning it will align things up? It is possible something is not lined up EXACTLY so as you say move or twist it to see if it will line up. Richard



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gerard

05-21-2008 15:26:07




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
Getting tractors together is a bit like refitting gearboxes in cars / vans etc. Sometimes they just slide right in - other times it"s an hour or more.
Presume you"ve tried turning engine over half a turn and making sure bellhousing gap is exactly equal all round? This is where Percy Verance is your helper. Assuming the clutch plate is properly centered, you"re probably held up on the pilot bearing. Might try raising the centre of tractor a fraction so bellhousing gap is marginally open at top, and rotate engine again.
You can put a couple of bolts to prevent halves sliding too far apart whilst "wiggling" - but leave a little slack, don"t put pressure on them - that can not only damage clutch plate, but actually make your job more difficult as things aren"t free to move into line.

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Richard L

05-21-2008 14:54:47




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-21-2008 14:09:06  
Whatever you do don't try to draw it together with bolts you could push something out where it shouldn't be. At least this is what I have read in the archives. Someone will be along shortly to help you I am sure. Richard



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Douginh

05-22-2008 01:26:46




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Richard L, 05-21-2008 14:54:47  
Ya Richard and strip already flimsy holes. Thank God they had the extra depth for me to tap for longer bolt. Man that cast is peanut butter...For six hours me and buddy diddled and goofed. The whole while doing everything and then some mentioned here. Finally we were using ratchet staps to pull as opposed to bolts. Came in. Gorfed my supper down. The wife came out as I was fiddling alone. I asked her if pto was turning? yep its turning when I turn flywheel as it has all day. Now keep in mind me and buddy had it in gear and out. I said to wife, just for fun hold this prybar in that PTO hole while I turn flywheel. I hardly moved flywheel and bang like a vault. Kinda glad pinkies werent in there...Hope my tapping holes deeper with new bolts will be good enough, I got a loader....One thing I dont get is ,everything was set by pro. to my feeble mind it still dont take much more pressure to put petal down with clutch than it did with just return springs. I mean a wee bit but still hand easy. I'll tell ya when we put borg/beck style clutches in cares from diaphram types the linkage often had to be reinforced for the extra foot force on pedal. With that little foot force I see slipage, do I dream? Their cream colored springs.... Thankyou all. If someone could address that pedal pressure thing

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gerard

05-22-2008 15:35:08




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 Re: te split, no go together in reply to Douginh, 05-22-2008 01:26:46  
Those clutches are pretty light, you can push the pedal down by hand. Reason is it"s only got to handle around 20bhp and that pedal is long, giving good leverage.



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