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Harrison in Dal

05-19-2008 12:34:22




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I think my PTO cover broke off the shaft. I'm posting some photos to "Stuck and Troubled". I can't tell where it broke, what the piece that is still on the shaft is and how to go about fixing this. Thanks in advance.
Harrison.




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john[mo]

05-19-2008 14:05:01




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 12:34:22  
remove the grease fitting and you will be able to drive the roll pin out with a punch. you should put grease into your new overriding clutch on a regular basis.



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Harrison in Dallas

05-19-2008 14:24:03




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 Re: PTO in reply to john[mo], 05-19-2008 14:05:01  
Thanks John[mo]. I just saw your relpy. Harrison.



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John (UK)

05-19-2008 13:40:08




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 12:34:22  
Yes you broke it and they have told you how to repair it, what causes it is lifting the machine too high on the rear linkage, if you hear the PTO shaft "rattle" it is destroying the joints, so don't lift so high. If you don't have position control on your tractor, you can do this which works unless you have a leak on the hydraulics:- lift the machine with the lever and then lower it slowly to the height you want it, move the lever back up until it holds at that point,(neither lifts nor lowers) then slide the Hydraulic lever stop up to the front of the lever and lock it in place, now all you need do is lift the machine and then move the lever to the stop. It isn't as good as position control but it will help stop breaking universal joints and PTO's..John

PS don't have the engine revving it's socks off when you are lifting or manoeuvring, that will help as well.

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Harrison in Dallas

05-19-2008 14:20:42




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 Re: PTO in reply to John (UK), 05-19-2008 13:40:08  
Thanks for the advise on how not to break it again. Sorry if I"m being a pain, but where does the pin, that must have been sheared
off, go? Are these pins readily available? Thanks, Harrison.



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Jeff-oh

05-20-2008 05:08:23




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 14:20:42  
These pins are cheep. They are readily available. Go to a farm supply store and ask for a Overriding Clutch Roll Pin. They can also be had at Lowes and Home De-pot. They will be in the drawers in the the nut and bolt sections. Though they'll cost more at the megga-box... though not to much.

Definently get a new OCR. The purpose of the Clutch is to allow the mower to spin down with out driving the wheels.

Since the PTO is directly driven from the drive shaft, any high momentum implement can power the wheels. Thus, there is a real danger that when you are mowing and coming to a ditch or tree, even though you stomp on the clutch and break the mower WILL power the drive wheels and put you and your tractor into an unwanted position.

The OCR prevents this. It allows the power to come from the tractor to drive the mower, but spins harmlessly when the mower wants to drive the tractor. Think of it as a big socket wrench ratchet.


And no you are not a pain. I too am learning from the answers. Like how did this happen. And John's answer on how the damage may have been caused.

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Jeff-oh

05-19-2008 13:14:21




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 12:34:22  
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It looks to me like you broke your Over Riding Clutch. The "canister" is on the implement PTO shaft. and the "guts" are still on the end of the tractor PTO.

You can see the PTO splines inside the OCR "innards" see if you can get that off first. There will be a rolled pin retainer that must be driven out. This pin may or may not be sheered off. Then see if the PTO will turn by hand (engien off and PTO disengaged.)

Jeff

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Jeff-oh

05-19-2008 13:17:48




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 Re: PTO in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-19-2008 13:14:21  
The top picture is an OCR housing with the insides missing. Oh there they are over on the PTO shaft.



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Harrison in Dallas

05-19-2008 13:38:01




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 Re: PTO in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-19-2008 13:17:48  
So, I got the canister or coupler off the bush hog.
The PTO shaft turns freely. Does the pin go through the coupler and the insides on the shaft? There is no pin, that I can see. On the coupler, there is a "stopped up" hole and 180 degrees around is a grease fitting. Is the hole where a pin went through? Are these pins available. If that is the problem?

Thanks for your fast replies.

Harrison.

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Jeff-oh

05-20-2008 05:31:15




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 13:38:01  
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If the piece on the tractor does not just slide off you'll need to look for the roll pin around the perimeter of the sleeve. It'll be about 3/4" (2cm) from the end of the tractor PTO shaft.

Your OCR is history get a new one. They are about $50.00 to $60.00 and available at many farm supplies. Note that there are two sizes. 1-1/8 and 1-3/8. Your Mower will be 1-3/8. but your tractor could be either. Thus if it is smaller than the mower get a 1-1/8 to 1-3/8 OCR if they are the same get a 1-3/8 to 1-3/8.

Jeff

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Harrison in Dallas

05-20-2008 09:04:34




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 Re: PTO in reply to Jeff-oh, 05-20-2008 05:31:15  
Jeff-oh, thanks for your kind explanation of what I need to do. I really appreciate it.

Harrison.



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Richard L

05-19-2008 13:13:51




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 12:34:22  
Harrison I think you had an adapter that went over the PTO spline to make it a larger size spline to fit to the bushog or possibly it was a over riding unit and that broke. I feel right now the PTO and attached unit are alright after looking at the pictures again. Richard



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Richard L

05-19-2008 13:06:53




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 Re: PTO in reply to Harrison in Dallas, 05-19-2008 12:34:22  
I think what ever you had hooked onto the tractor is what broke. I believe if you will take a pair of pliers and reach down to the PTO on the tractor you can pull that round smooth piece off and then you will see the spline for the PTO. If you was bushogging and hit something solid then it is possible the shaft is hurt. But from the pictures the tractor part looks ok. Good luck Richard



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Harrison in Dallas

05-19-2008 14:26:27




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 Re: PTO in reply to Richard L, 05-19-2008 13:06:53  
Thanks Richard.



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