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TO-30 Plug Gap?

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glenmorebuckman

04-24-2008 20:42:48




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My 1951 TO-30 had AC Delco C87 plugs in it gapped to .030. I bought new Autolite 386's and put them in gapped at .025 and it would just barely run! I then bought Autolite 3116 and gapped them to .025 and got the same results. Tractor would just barely run and was missing bad at idle. I then re-gapped them to .030 and it ran fine. What's the cause of it needing a wide gap. The spark is good and blueish white and I just put on a new coil and new points and cap and wires. Any ideas?

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Jerry/MT

04-25-2008 10:33:41




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 Re: TO-30 Plug Gap? in reply to glenmorebuckman, 04-24-2008 20:42:48  
If you have a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, and the timing is correct, the only other factor (assuming that the engine is in good mechanical shape) is the fuel to air ratio, i.e. the mixture.
I have to say I have never heard of a problem like this before. I had some bad exerience with Autolite 386 plugs and since they are a resisitor plug they may have some problems. The 3116"s are non-resistor and made a tremendous difference. I gapped them to 0.025" and I have a Pertronix ignition system with a NAPA IC-14SB 12 V coil on my 12V electrical system.

If you run well with a wider gap it generally means that your ignition system can provide the higher voltage to make the spark under the fuel/air charge conditions in the cylinder. Have you checked your compression? It"s easier for the spark to jump a gap at lower pressures.

After running for a while, pull a plug or two and see what the insulator looks like around the tip. That might give you a clue.

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gshadel

04-25-2008 10:03:29




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 Re: TO-30 Plug Gap? in reply to glenmorebuckman, 04-24-2008 20:42:48  
This is only a guess, but check your carb mixture, it may be running too lean. A lean mixture is less combustible than a rich mix, which is why we have to choke to start, to get a richer mixture to get combustion started.

If your idle mix screw is too lean your TO will idle poorly up to ~400-500 rpms before the power mix screw takes over. Over 400-500 rpms the mix is all controlled by the big "power" mixture screw.

In general the wider the gap the better the combustion... right up to the point that the spark can no longer jump the gap.
If your TO likes .3" gap, and runs strong, run it that way and work it!

George

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maxwell99

04-25-2008 09:36:05




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 Re: TO-30 Plug Gap? in reply to glenmorebuckman, 04-24-2008 20:42:48  
I am sure there is a difference in plugs same as other parts on the tractor.

I use Champion D21, which is a hot plug in my 1957 TO-35 gapped at .025-.027, runs good on them. The 1957 TO-35 has a 12 volt system, do not know if that makes a difference.

I have not found any plug that last like the olds one's did back in the 60's.

You can drop the plows and little Fergy will bellow with these plugs, runs like a top for a 50+ year old tractor.

I buy the Champion D21's at local NAPA store, they seam to have a lot of parts for the older tractors. Their technicans recommended the plug to me as we have to turn up the fuel a bit (open power screw) when doing heavy work and the richer mixture would kill the plugs faster. These plugs last longer for me.

Good luck with your tractor.

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