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Hydraulic take off conections under seat?

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AussieDoc

03-31-2008 03:01:27

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I noticed a while back that my petrol Fergy is a little different to some others that I've seen.
1. At what year were the oil pressure take off connections under the seat on the hydraulic lift assemby instaled or removed?

2. At what year was the air cleaner intake not connected to the dash?

3. When were solid front wheels done away with?

4. Has anyone seen factory installed hydraulic rear brakes?

I'm sure I'll sleep better once I know the answers. :roll:

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Bob (Aust)

04-01-2008 20:32:57

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

I think that is a Ford Ferguson. No idea how they got to Australia unless Harry Ferguson (Australia) Ltd in Melbourne imported Fords from the USA until the Standard engine TEA20 became available from the UK around 1948.

An old tractor wrecker west of Brisbane told me he parted out many Ford tractors in the 1950s and 1960s as they were considered scrap when the TEA20 series tractors, with almost 50% more power (and 4 speed transmission versus the Ford 3 speed?) became available in large numbers and at the right price.

The seller is dreaming if he thinks he can get $3,500 for a dead tractor. "motor not going" usually means "not repairable unless you have buckets of money"!

That could be an expensive restoration.

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Toora Stephen

04-01-2008 18:48:22

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

It is still on eBay, described as a "Ferguson Ford".

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I think the starting price is a bit steep, considering it is not running.

- TS

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AussieDoc

04-01-2008 17:29:27

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to jd/Mo, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

Bob,
There was 1946 Fergy on Ebay (AU) near Echuca. It would have been a great restorer. It certainly looked different to everything I'd seen locally (Australia).
The engine looked very small with overhead spark plugs.
The rear of the center axle housing didn't have the large pin lugs on the sides near the top link.
The wheels front and rear were different as John (UK) described.

The bonnet grille differed with the top of the hood having a large hinged flap towards the steering wheel as well as an opening for the radiator cap.

I don't know if it sold or not. I recall it had $3,500 (AU) on it as a starting bid.

I reckon John(UK) probably knows the model?

I can only assume that various early models of the series came into Australia albeit in small numbers by the factory or privately. :)

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Bob (Aust)

04-01-2008 14:15:01

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

Anything John doesn't know about Fergies isn't worth knowing!!! :lol: He's certainly helped me many times over the restoration of my Fergy. His information sheets are really excellent.

Sorry about the wheel misunderstanding - I was aware of the early solid disk wheels, just didn't think. :oops:
If your TEA20 is that early, it may have the 80 mm bore engine? I've never found or heard of a TE20 (Continental engine) tractor in Australia but have seen a Ford Ferguson (side valve engine) in Australia and assume they got here during or shortly after the second world war.

Bob in Oz

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AussieDoc

04-01-2008 06:11:40

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to Bob (Aust), 03-31-2008 03:01:27

You "....remember it starting"?! Now that statement alone definately puts you in a league of gentlemen worth bottling. :shock:

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john(UK)

03-31-2008 07:45:30

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

1 There have been different layouts of these pressure outlets the ones at the top either side were fitted from 200,001 in 1951.They were not like that until the end as they were changed again at serial 429519 in 1955 when they were made bigger and the safety valve for the Hydraulics was moved to the left side.
2 The Air Cleaner had the intake fitted to the Dash Panel at the same serial number.
3 The Rear wheel centres were changed in approximately 1949-50.
4 Hydraulic Rear Brakes were only fitted to the Industrial versions of the TE20 series. They Drums were twice as wide and had two sets of brake shoes,fitted side by side, one set mechanical and operated by the Handbrake and one set Hydraulically operated by the foot pedal. The brake master cylinder was attached to the left side round port cover. The idea of the Hydraulic/mechanical brakes was to comply with the law regarding Industrial tractors used on the road in that they had to have two independent means of braking for safety reasons.You can now sleep easier knowing all that....John

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AussieDoc

03-31-2008 06:21:47

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

Bob,

Okay I now feel like an idiot. Let me better explain.

By solid front wheels I mean't the center being solid steel with no gaps to see through. The wheels have pneumatic tyres. My tractor has the usual wheels. I have seen the solid center wheels and it had me thinking about dates and which was the newer and older version.

I was once told that some fergies were sold with hydraulic brakes but I've never seen them and somewhat doubted the story. But thought there may have been a conversion kit perhaps offered by the company in later years. I do know that at the end of the series run there existed a reconditioning program where models were refurbished.

As for my tractor? Nah, I don't have anything exotic.

But I don't have the air cleaner running to the dash. The top section of the air cleaner cannister has a mesh grill. And I don't have the oil pressure connections. It's definately a different casting to most others I've seen.

I can't read the s/n plate near the steering wheel. It badly pitted. The date numbers on the center axel housing are very very small and difficult to work out. I've seen other Fergies and the numbers were much larger and very easy to read. I'll look around again in the daylight.

It seems Klaus and I have the same version. :idea:

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john(UK)

04-01-2008 05:29:02

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 06:21:47

No need to feel like an idiot, it was Bob who misunderstood you, it was clear what you meant.The solid centres were the original type and then they changed to the "scalloped" type which is still in use today.
The reconditioning Service was not just at the end of the run it was a lot earlier than that, I can remember it starting.
There was no conversion kit offered for existing Tractors for the brakes, it would have been too expensive to convert, it was cheaper changing the tractor to a proper industrial type...John

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klaus

03-31-2008 04:17:57

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

I have a 1948 TEA-20-80. (serial 76848)
It has no air intake on the dash. It get its air from the top of the aircleaner. I belive that changed when they started to make the 12V (serial 200001)version.
I have no hydraulic tapping points on my lift cover either.
Acording to the manual they came at serial 200001.
But I have heard the the different liftcovers indeed will interchange.
Klaus.

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Bob (Aust)

03-31-2008 03:58:19

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Re: Hydraulic take off conections under seat? in reply to AussieDoc, 03-31-2008 03:01:27

Aussie

1. At what year were the oil pressure take off connections under the seat on the hydraulic lift assemby instaled or removed?

The casting always made provision for hydraulic take off.
2. At what year was the air cleaner intake not connected to the dash?

All TEA20's had the air intake through the dash. I think the TO20 (Tractor Overseas = made in Detroit) series tractors did not have a dash air intake.

3. When were solid front wheels done away with?

No Ferguson tractor ever had solid front rubber tyres to my knowledge. The 1933 Ferguson-Black tractor had steel wheels:

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Rear steel wheels were available for the TEA20, option ATE 1101; A-TE-74 or A-TE-A75.

4. Has anyone seen factory installed hydraulic rear brakes?

Hydraulic rear brakes were Ferguson Option A-TE-117 and offered on the TE-20/TEA-20 and FE-35 tractors.
"It provided a handbrake and hydraulically operated foot brake to the rear wheels, whilst still allowing conventional independent mechanical braking to each rear wheel."

I suspect that if you have the hydraulic brake option, you have a rather rare tractor in Australia! Indeed, from my experience with TEA20's, brakes are not all that common! :lol:

The vertical exhaust was Ferguson Option A-TE-82 (petrol, lamp oil, TVO) or A-TE-83 (diesel).

In June 1954, a TEA20 tractor cost UK�395/0/0 �ex works including carriage�.
Even the diesel TEF20 only cost UK�525/0/0 ex works! And you could buy a genuine Ferguson Tractor Cover for an additional UK�2/10/0!

I hope you didn�t pay too much for your TEA20!!! :lol:

Ozmate, I think you need to tell us more about the tractor you have acquired?

Bob in Oz

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