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TO35 and F40

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stewart s. smit

02-04-2008 05:30:20

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I have nearly finished the 52 TO30 and am looking for a TO35 in any condition as long as it is complete. Also does anyone know about the F40? It appears only a few were made in 56 and 57.

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stewart s.

02-08-2008 06:36:05

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Bob,
I remember Davie Brown tractors when I was a kid in Scotland fifty years ago.What happened to the Ferguson / Brown partnership and are David Brown tractors still being made?

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Bob (Aust)

02-07-2008 17:50:52

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Curses - that didn't work! Here's the missing picture:

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Bob (Aust)

02-07-2008 17:49:30

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to gshadel, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Make : Ferguson/Brown Ltd.
Model : A
Category : 2 plow, 20 hp at belt
Engine :
Coventry Climax engine 20hp - 4 cyl - 3.125'' x 4'' - Gas/kerosene (1-550)
David Brown engine 20hp - 4 cyl - 3.125'' x 4'' - Gas/kerosene (551-1354)
Serial number : (1936-38) 0001-1354
Notes : It was painted grey. The tractor with serial number 0722 was used for demontration to Henry Ford in USA.

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Bob (Aust)

02-07-2008 17:38:29

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

[quote:cf63f34a2c]"His very first system was made of springs and levers. In 1925, with Eber and George Sherman, he founded, in United States, the Ferguson-Sherman Inc. entreprise which produced a plough with "Duplex hitch" system suitable to Fordson line tractors.
He made his first Ferguson hydraulic system for his Ferguson-Black prototype tractor of which David Brown had made the differential gear and transmission. In 1933 he founded with him the Ferguson-Brown Co. where around 1354 Ferguson-Brown tractors, model A, equiped with the Ferguson hydraulic system, were produced." [/quote:cf63f34a2c]

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stewart s. smith

02-07-2008 16:38:06

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Hi there,
That was quite a bit of very interesting information that Bob gave us. Now does anybody know if Harry Ferguson made tractors himself or in collaboration with others before the Ford 9N series. Did he have any association with David Brown?

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Bob (Aust)

02-06-2008 22:39:03

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Stewart

[quote:af5c0ee4b8]"This Harry "Henry" Ferguson was quite a guy it seems. Apparently he was the first to advocate four wheel drive in automobiles and anyone who gets ten million out of Henry Ford has my respect!"[/quote:af5c0ee4b8]

Henry George (Harry) Ferguson (November 4, 1884 - October 25, 1960) was a genius and inventor extrordinaire! He perfected the Ferguson Drive System for 4WD vehicles, which involved three diffs, constant four wheel drive, with the third diff able to be locked for greater traction.

The Ferguson Drive System was first used in a Formula One race car and in the LandRover Range Rover series and is now copied by most 4WD manufacturers world wide - including in my Toyota Prado.

Harry also home built and flew the first aircraft in Ireland on December 31, 1909, nine years after aviation pioneer New Zealander Richard Pearce (1877 - 1953) became the first person ever to achieve powered flight at Waitohi, New Zealand, on March 31, 1902 and only six years after the Wright brothers became the second to achieve powered flight on December 17, 1903.

(That factually correct statement is going to get me into arguements!! :D Don't believe everything they taught you in school.)

You are correct - he rightfully screwed Henry Ford after Ford tried to cheat him out of the Ferguson System.

Bob in Oz

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Lance J.

02-06-2008 21:02:44

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Stewart-
If you're looking to buy an F40 or TO35, there are presently some for sale at reasonble prices in the current edition of Ferguson Furrows. They might be listed on our website; I think its fergusonenthusiasts.org. Or just google "Ferguson Enthusiasts of North America".

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John Mason, Michigan

02-06-2008 08:30:22

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Stuart, I know where there are/used to be a couple of the units you refer to. My neighbor has a 1938 F20 he would like to sell. I saw a TO35 deluxe at the JD dealer in Sandusky Michigan. Most likely was a trade. I also saw what I thought was a TO35 (green) at a dealer near north branch Michigan. The F20 was bought new by my neighbors uncle, he could fill you in on the details. $300 was all he wanted. Motor was free. It is in a barn. I have pics if you are interested let me know.
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John

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stewart s. smith

02-05-2008 06:32:53

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Thanks for all the answers. I'm starting a collection and want to end up with two Farmall's, two Ferguson's and two Ford N series.
All 50yrs. or over. I only have room for six in my yard. I like doing the work on the tractors so color and condition doesn't matter, I try to get them back to as near origional as possible with the exception that I make them all 12volt.
This Harry "Henry" Ferguson was quite a guy it seems. Apparently he was the first to advocate four wheel drive in automobiles and anyone who gets ten million out of Henry Ford has my respect!

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Jeff-oh

02-04-2008 12:36:08

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

The F-40 was the last tractor to bare the Ferguson Name alone. It was produced in 1956 and 1957 with a total production run of about 9000 tractors. They are prized by collectors and users both.

In 1958 when MF abolished the two-line policy the F-40 and MH-50 became the newly tagged MF-50.

The F-40 and the TO-35 are very similar. The F-40 allowed for Row-crop configurations which the TO-35 did not.

The TO-35 was produced fro 1955 through the 1960's and was known as the TO-35 and MF-35. It is considered the world's most coppied tractor and can still be purchased new today in the MF-1500 series.

If looking for a TO-35 to restore for collecting purposed, be aware there are various color combinations through the years. This may limit you to wanting just any TO-35 in favor of a specific time period.

Jeff

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Lance J.

02-06-2008 21:14:11

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to Jeff-oh, 02-04-2008 12:36:08

Jeff-
I know that the present MF1500 series has similar power and capabilities to my TO35, but why do you say they are so similar that a new MF1500 is the same or nearly the same? I thought that the more logical successor to the TO series would be the recently discontinued MF231, or today's MF2605. By the way, the new 2605 is pretty sweet. But it won't replace my Fergie, though. I see MF is now using "Simpson" diesel engines. I wonder what's up with that? Oh well, once an MF man, always an MF man. Lance

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Dan S (NY)

02-04-2008 15:54:11

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to Jeff-oh, 02-04-2008 12:36:08

As far as the 35 being produced today, I always thought the TAFE 35 was the closest looking to the original. I don't think they sell them in the U.S. though. I have always wanted to inspect one in person.

Dan

TAFE 35

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Jeff-oh

02-05-2008 06:25:33

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to Dan S (NY), 02-04-2008 15:54:11

It certainly has the look. Just goes to show what a great design the TO-35 was from the start and how it still fits that 30 HP market.

I bet the LTX-60 would be the most sought after tractor even today if it were available.

Jeff

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Richard L

02-04-2008 10:15:01

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Re: TO35 and F40 in reply to stewart s. smith, 02-04-2008 05:30:20

Hello, if you will visit www.fergusonenthusiasts dot com you will see they have a F-40 registry going on.
This is a very fine club with several of the members are on this forum which may help explain why this is an exceptional forum. I feel between this forum and the above mentioned site if you can't find the answer to a problem (at least with Ferguson tractors) you must not really have a problem. have a great day. Richard

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