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who sets the standard?

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SteveS

12-03-2007 21:18:58




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As I work on my newly acquired TO30 I don't want to do any more to degrade the restorability. What or who is the authority for restoration of the 30. Does the Sherman add or detract? (I sure like it).




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Toora Stephen

12-09-2007 14:16:40




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
Great. That is the first time I have seen a picture of one of these tractors with its rear wheels at the widest setting (the one with the plough).

- TS



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Michael Noonan

12-07-2007 09:14:35




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
Maybe these picturs will help.

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Crem

12-08-2007 18:43:10




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to Michael Noonan, 12-07-2007 09:14:35  
Wow, those pictures look like some of our FENA pictures only these were probably taken over fifty years earlier.



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Bob (Aust)

12-05-2007 21:20:42




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

I like the polished black radiator, starter motor and generator on my Fergy grey TEA20.
Not the way Harry built it, purists may not like it, but I like it - really sets of the appearance!

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Gerald J.

12-05-2007 18:51:26




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
YOU SET THE STANDARD.

If you want to be the most persnickety purist, you work with only factory supplied materials based on the parts book, factory shop manual, and factory owners manual that applied when yours was built. They did change over the several years of production, both parts and paint.

If you want to be a little more practical, you might use SS or farm store bolts instead of the originals, you will use readily available after market parts, which are sometimes reproductions and sometimes just something close that works made in some distant country as a universal part. And you paint it all gray.

If you want it to work but don't care what or who says anything about it, you use whatever parts you can adapt, and scrap paint from the local body shop, or spray cans from wallyworld in AC, JD, Ford, Case, IH, and MF colors, whatever was on sale in the clearance aisle.

And when you get done (though the purist will likely to be the last to get done) you will find that all these options lead to a working tractor and the sales value is affected more by the working than the spit and polish and further that the offered sales prices are less than you have put into it. So you use it happily until your kids practically give it away someday when you can't object anymore and they gave it away because they didn't know the money and work you put into it.

Gerald J.

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MurrayE

12-07-2007 15:33:28




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to Gerald J., 12-05-2007 18:51:26  
Lesson to be learned from Gerald J. this is a true conversation of what happens when we get to the point in our lives where the children have the opportunity to sell off the OLD TRACTORS. Others will only pay a certain price. We all know it would be nice to have the tractors fixed to it's original state of newness. It is a long and costly project. cheers, Murray



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Willy 30 /OD

12-04-2007 15:48:35




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
I've been to a couple fena shows and learned tons of stuff . If you didn't grow up running or working on a fergy . then you don't know the little things. I restored a to-30 and then asked at the show if my pegs on the bottom of the axles turned in or out. Thats how you learn, from the old boys. I don't think the lites are a stock item but I painted them and put them on. I use my fergy and it does just fine. Hook up with FENA and you can't go wrong.

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Don Hooks

12-04-2007 10:24:24




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
Thank you for asking this question. I have wanted to ask it here but it was obvious from talking to folks at shows that there is no single authority. For instance, many parts can be replaced with Ford parts that, except for the part number, are identical to HF parts - they work great but opinions differ on whether that is appropriate. Someone has already responded here that aftermarket parts are not as "pure" as recycled/restored parts but there may not be a choice. I have purchased some parts advertised as coming from a Ferguson being parted out and they turned out to be Ford parts obviously from an earlier repair or restoration. Even the shop manuals have differences that are confusing. For example, my manual shows two apparently new TO30s and one has a gray generator and the other has a black one. Some "original" machines have diamond plate foot rests and others have perforated sheet metal - maybe one was optional or changed with a model year change... In other words, you and I probably need to go to the national FENA show next year and decide for ourselves what is appropriate - then we can be the authorities!

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Jeff-oh

12-05-2007 07:36:46




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to Don Hooks, 12-04-2007 10:24:24  
Don,

I have lots of people say my diamond plate foot rest are home made, then they say who ever did it did a good job. I started to believe them...

Then this fall one of the guys on this board posted pictures of his TE-20 (Berryman I think) and there were thoes same diamon foot rests. John UK said the TE's sent here did not come with foot rest just pegs and that they were added here in the US.

So I am thinking mine are orgional, but want to do a little more research.

Jeff

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ron8n9n

12-04-2007 06:57:12




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
I have 50 yrs exp with ferg, i sell true accurate
parts to the best of my memory, and I have many oem books.



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Richard L

01-04-2008 10:48:09




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 Re: who sets the standard? Ron8n9n in reply to ron8n9n, 12-04-2007 06:57:12  
Ron would you please email me jumpstart at charter dot net



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SteveS

12-04-2007 06:08:06




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
I pretty much understand the concept of restoration having done cars, airplanes and other machines. What I need to know is where do I find pictures and info on how it looked originally. For instance: someone has rewired doing a fine job with some cloth wire loom. But is it exactly the right stuff in the right place in the right clamps? In other words what are the available references. I don't want to fix anything with the wrong parts so when I finish working the tractor and get serious about restoration I won't have made the job harder.

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Jeff-oh

12-04-2007 07:42:29




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-04-2007 06:08:06  
There is no real "standard" This place and FENA are probally the best group of people to ask about origonality. There are local experts on the various systems.

Phil Fenner in Wa is the raining expert on lighting. He has an excellent article in the Ferguson Furrows issue #9 which is still available from FENA.

Paul Nelson has researched paint. His charts are available at the FENA website.

The newsletter Ferguson Furrows has many restoration tips and details on the various models.

But in general Tractor people are not as picky as the car people. Mainly because there were so many options available. Like your Sherman Transmission. It may not have come from the manufacturing line with that part, but it sure could have been sold new with it from the dealer. Front bumpers are another example. Most all were locally applied, thus you have regional diffrerences. Same is true with early foot plates on the imported TE-20's.

As for wire looms and routing FENA and the Furrows is your best source of info and people.

Jeff

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Hills Of Tn

12-04-2007 05:10:03




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
I just go by what my carpenter friend says about all of us tractor guys and our "restoring" tractors. He says to judge it by how he judges his framing crew on Mondays after a weekend of boozing - if you can get "em started in the morning and they can still do a hard day"s work -consider them pretty much restored (no matter how rough they look!).



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RockyMO

12-04-2007 04:22:17




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 Re: who sets the standard? in reply to SteveS, 12-03-2007 21:18:58  
I would expect that it would depend on the person as to what added value and what subtracted value. In my opinion, any thing that was originally available as an option such as a sherman trans or a Kosch steering wheel would add to the value. Any thing that was "farmerized" or is a current after market production that is not quite the same as the original (sheet metal, steering wheels etc.) would subtract value. JMHO

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