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Richard L

11-24-2007 12:09:45




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Help, We have a auction cominp up that has a T-20
listed. It doesn't say TO or TE. The little picture of it doesn't help much either. My question is...
Is there much problem getting electrical parts for the TE. I have heard a person might want to be careful because the TE ELECTRICAL :such as starter, generator, distributor, Etc. aren't easy to come by. My thinking is there must be a supply here someplace as reading that H. Ferguson sent 15,000 over here at one point to keep his dealers happy until the Detroit plant could be changed over and running again. What is the real story, does anyone have problems getting parts for TE's?
Is one actually better than the other? Thanks

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fergone

11-25-2007 14:23:53




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
Hi back when my late dad work for a Fergus n dealer I rember are TE 20 well ,dad switched it to delco the starter you have to grind the nose and do some work on the bell housing ,you are right the ring/pinion are different as the TE is lower geared, Not sure where the tractor went it was painted gray/green had a To35 seat and the Z120 had a overbore and a z129 head for more power , ferguson tractormeter it was a sweet tractor

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DennisPinOhio

11-25-2007 04:54:33




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
I own a 1948 TE 20 (sn 28383) and am very pleased with it. I have had no problems obtaining parts, but then it hasn't needed much.
I have converted it to 12 volt and added a Pertronix Ignitor and coil, to do away with the points and all their related problems. The Lucas distributor has been rebuilt - it just needed new bearings. The starter has never failed in the 20 plus years I've owned it. It can be rebuilt when the time comes.
Sparex USA has just about any part you might need and there are other sources also, including your local Massey Ferguson dealer.
Good luck.
Dennis

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HillsOfTN

11-24-2007 17:06:10




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
My son and I have both a TE20 and TO20. Having done quite a bit of work on both, I would prefer the TO20 if I had a choice in buying. The parts for certain areas are a little more of a hassle for the TE. I couldn't find lined brake shoes for the TE - had to relign them myself. Had a couple of broken parts on the brake plate that we had to "engineer". The distributor had already been replaced with the TO version, as had the starter. (There have been several posts relating to the potential problems with using the Delco-type starter instead of the TE original - we haven't experienced any). My understanding is that the axles are different if you are unlucky enough to break an axle. Sheet metal is different and used sheet metal for the TO is somewhat scarce around my area - used TE sheet metal is VERY rare around my area.

None of the above would keep me from buying a good TE, but I would prefer the TO just from a convenience factor. (My opinion only - doesn't mean others will agree).

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buford

11-24-2007 16:55:37




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
reading these posts was interesting as I bought a ferguson tea 20 sn.156449 it was painted red with mf decals seems to be a right nice little tractor it to was at auction new rear tires good and straight tin work, starts with the gear lever ,4 forward 1rev. every thing works it needs paint engine seems different than others I have seen I was told it was a standard engine from england



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Richard L

11-24-2007 17:06:56




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 Re: TE or TO BUFORD in reply to buford, 11-24-2007 16:55:37  
Yes TEA was made in England. That is what the E stands for. With your serial number my paper work shows that is a 1950 model.



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motorv8N

11-24-2007 15:51:58




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to RockyMO, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  

Richard L said: (quoted from post at 21:09:45 11/24/07) ...Is there much problem getting electrical parts for the TE...


I've been living with a 51 TEA20 for about three weeks now and have come to the following conclusions:

There is what seems to be a healthy support network for these tractors in terms of parts, etc. I don't think it's anything like the vast universe of Ford N series stuff, however. This made me unsure at first, especially as I spent most of the fall looking at 8Ns, sure I would end up with one of those. But fate intervened as it sounds like it might have with you, and here I am.
The other thing is that lots of these machines have been modified for better or worse with a huge variety of bits from various places. While mine seems to have the original starter and Lucas distributor, the generator is long gone (replaced by a 12 volt alternator) and the wiring behind the dash, including modified key start setup is nothing like original. It starts right up though and seems to run ok (some disturbing internal noises notwithstanding.... :shock:

So, I'm faced with either trying to keep this Frankenstein of this and that running, and fix the most serious botches, or tear it all out and try to restore to original spec.
My sense after surfing around is that both options are eminently doable and I'm much less worried about it than I was. Sure, there might be the odd part that has to be sourced from the UK, but I'm not sure even that's completely for certain.

So, if you've got the opportunity to get a good machine at a decent price I think you'll find you won't have too much trouble keeping it running in original or modified form. Enjoy it!
Hope this helps somewhat.

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Richard L

11-24-2007 16:23:04




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 Re: TE or TO Motorv8n in reply to motorv8N, 11-24-2007 15:51:58  
Thanks after the 2 first feedbacks I was pretty sure this one definately put it over the top. Now if I am the only one at the auction wanting this tractor I would be so darn happy. (Why would I think that could ever happen to me?) I grew up on a farm that had a TO-30 with a sherman HI-LO, and it came with loader and backhoe. Off comes the back hoe then eventually the loader. I used this as my car to go into town. Then when I turned 14 I got a job and usually drove it to work unless some one was going to farm with it that day, then had to wear out the soles of my shoes.

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Richard L

11-24-2007 15:48:28




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
rusty nut and Tioga-- Thank you for your input. Now to see which it actually is on auction day. That makes me feel better to bid the TE as I was planning if it was a TO. Also thanks to any one else that may post more info in advance.



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Tioga

11-24-2007 14:41:13




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
As you can see from the following ytmag profile for the TE20, some have replaced the Lucas Electrical system with Delco:

The Ferguson TO-20 Today

Today many of these tractors are still in use. Parts are readily available for both the TO-20 and the TE-20 with exception of the TE's Lucas electrical system (many of the English made TE-20's in the U.S. have had the Lucas system replaced by the Delco). This tractor is also popular for restoration and show - we have seen several at tractor shows around the country. In the absence of the collector standing by to defend his tractor, they are often mistaken as a 9N or 2N. An interesting side note: Although these tractors are nearly identical in looks to the 9N and 2N, very few parts are interchangeable.

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rusty nut

11-24-2007 14:39:16




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 Re: TE or TO in reply to Richard L, 11-24-2007 12:09:45  
I have a 48 TE20 and love it,haven't had to buy anything for it,mine has been switched over to 12volt so it has an alternator which you can get anywhere,I did get points for it,you can get them at massey ferguson dealer,maybe even at a parts store?I wouldn't think twice about getting it,lots of fun.good luck



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