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What prep work should I do to paint my TO20

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covert42

11-14-2007 17:53:51




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Getting Ready to paint my TO20 What prep work should I do and what is the best primer out there?




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Irv ( Ia)

11-16-2007 18:52:05




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
I took a chance and sandblasted mine with silica sand, but was VERY careful to mask off EVERY little spot I thought sand could get in. I would certainly agree that it tough to keep it out and you always run the risk of getting it in where you don't want it, but my tractor was SO rusty on the body that I thought it was going to be nearly impossibly to get it in painting condition. I guess I'd have to say I was very pleased with the results. With a blasted finish, I used bare a metal epoxy primer.
Autobody Master # 8411 Epoxy Primer
" " # 8121 Catalyst

Paint

Omni AU MBC
#mbc 32830 A, Nissan Gray
MR 187 Slow reducer
This stuff really needs good ventilation, it STRONG.

Clear

Omni SV MC261 Urethane, 4 to 1 mix Omne SV MH 264 overall hardener I doesn't say so on the can, but the clear mix can be thinned up to 20%. I found it layed out much better thinned a little and wasn't so orange peely.

I used an inexpensive farm store gravity fed gun. It would have been nice to have a separate primer gun. I think they recommend different size tips for primer and paint but I used the same gun. I really like the gravity fed part. You use lower pressure at the gun and that puts the paint on the part where you need it instead of blowing away in the air.
The reducer you use depends on the temp and humidity that day. I thought the Nissan color (thats what showed as a match on the parts store computer) is right on for shade of gray. When they painted them originally, I would imagine they faded a month after they came from the factory so who knows what a new one looked like. You can bet they used the cheapest paint they could find. The Onmi brand is an inexpensive (compared to Pittsburgh) base coat-clear coat, but I know one thing, that stuff is tough. I takes a lot to scuff it up and unless you go clear through to the paint you can wet sand it and clear it again.
I didn't skimp on it either. I figure if you're going to paint it, you might as well get some on.

As for the sheet metal, I can't over emphasize the the importance of getting it flat and smooth. And I mean REALLY flat and smooth. Because when you put that clear on, its just like a mirror and every blemish will show up. Just take your time and do it right.

Sorry for the long post, but I hope this helps.
P>S> If you want to see it, its in the tractor photos; Ferguson to-20 Irv Slagter

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Jim in OH

11-15-2007 11:38:30




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to Jeff-oh, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  

covert42 said: (quoted from post at 11:36:41 11/15/07) I want to do it the right way so it lasts as long as it can, I don't have a problem spending the money if I know its worth it. What is the advantage to cheimcal stripping over sanding and power washing? Show look is what I going for even though I will be using it for work. For the top coat I will be using Vintage Ferguson Grey product code 3931028M5. I guess I wanted to know the best primer to use, so far the two part epoxy is what I think will last the longest. What would make a good hard clear coat/sealer?


First of all using the Ferguson paint, albeit original, it is not the best available paint... But assuming you want the original paint.. I'll drop that issue except to say that most clear coats are probably not be compatable with the Fergie paint.

Getting all of the paint off is important because there is most certainly (in many spots) underlying rust... Cast iron can't really be sanded wery well, hence the chemical stripping although wire brushing (powered) can do a fairly decent job but can't always get in the cracks and crevices... you may find that some wire brusing is still needed even with chemical stripping... YOu didn't mention sand blasting... and that is to be avoided unless you are a genious, you will have trouble keeping hte sand out of sensative areas.... Another good way is spray on the chemical.. let it set.. then power wash it off...
Again.. check out the paint forum if you want show quality....

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Crem

11-15-2007 11:16:00




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
I think that it depends what you are going to use your tractor for. I always thought that I would try and go the whole route and do a professional looking paint job on my TO-20. My tractor looked so old and rusty after all of the farm years use. Well time was a factor and it still loooked bad after a few years so I started wire brushing sections and then wiped it down and painted using a brush and I believe Rustoleum smoke grey. You can do a small section at a time such as the trans/rear end area. On the castings and most parts it looked great. The hood even wasn't too bad even though I painted right over the scratches, but I figure that I can always go back and sand that down and repaint. The result was a tractor that was very presentable and even looked good at the tractor shows. This was a result of some elbow grease and a couple quart cans of six dollar paint. I use my Fergy a lot for mowing and landscape work and it gets sctatched up some anyway. There is no need for me to have a better job for the cost and time involved. The places where the paint gets bad because of rough use and where gasoline gets spilled on the tank etc, can be cleaned up again to look decent with very little cleaning up and a little more paint with the brush. I think that if you put on that wonderful paint job, it will constantly be getting dinged up and dirty if you use the tractor much. That grey paint color is pretty forgiving .

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covert42

11-15-2007 10:36:41




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
I want to do it the right way so it lasts as long as it can, I don't have a problem spending the money if I know its worth it. What is the advantage to cheimcal stripping over sanding and power washing? Show look is what I going for even though I will be using it for work. For the top coat I will be using Vintage Ferguson Grey product code 3931028M5. I guess I wanted to know the best primer to use, so far the two part epoxy is what I think will last the longest. What would make a good hard clear coat/sealer?

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john[mo]

11-15-2007 10:23:55




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
i don't have the answer for that one. i did wire brush the corroded [oxidized] parts off my tranny but just coated them with penetrol like the iron parts. penetrol is supposed to stop rust on iron because it displaces the oxygen. i guess on aluminum it would be the same. maybe somebody knows about a special chemical just for aluminum.



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motorv8N

11-15-2007 09:21:45




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
John -- I'm assuming these methods are ok on the aluminum transmission casing? Someone else posted about neutralizing corrosion and I'd be interested in what to apply for that.



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john[mo]

11-14-2007 19:49:31




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
here is what i have done on my to20 & te20 tractors. i use mostly brake parts cleaner on everything thats dirty or greasy. small screwdrivers are great for getting off painted dirt and grease from previous owners. i then wire wheel all surfaces whether they are rusty or not. i then primer the surface of the section or piece i am getting ready to paint with a chemical called PENETROL. after the penetrol coat dries i use sherwin williams industrial enamel with penetrol added. i use those 2 inch utility brushes to paint and primer. i challenge anybody to upon first looks to know i brushed on my paint . if i had the time and money i would take the whole tractor apart and sand blast everything. then it would get sprayed.

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Jim in OH

11-14-2007 18:36:39




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 Re: What prep work should I do to paint my TO20 in reply to covert42, 11-14-2007 17:53:51  
That is a tough question... It really is mostly about what you want, what you expect, and how the tractor will be used... some on here have pressure washed their tractor and squirted it with a case of rattle cans and been very happy... others have meticulously chemically stripped every last square inch, primed it with the best $100 a gallon two part epoxy primer and $200 a gallon Urethane and been happy... most are somewhere in between... and they are happy too... So it makes no sense for me to tell you how to do it without much more information.. If you want to learn about the "pro" way of doing things, checkout the "paint and bodywork Forum"... very informative... If you want something less, ask some specific questions and I am sure I or others can provide some input.... As to your specific question about prep??... "as much as you have time and patience for" And about primer??? "Two part Epoxy"... reason I say that is that Epoxy primer is a very good sealer also, so even if you don"t want to go the route of a quality (expensive) color coat, it will still stand up under the weather... If your tractor is a "trailer queen" and will not see the elements.. just about anything can be made to look shiny for quite a while...

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