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John Upstate

11-07-2007 06:57:02




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My 1953 TE20 was running fine. I turned it off then 10 minutes later it wouldn't crank, I got the fast clicking sound. I checked the battery (good), wire brushed the connections, same problem. I took the starter off, put it on a bench, and tried jumping it directly to a known good 12V battery. Nothing. I whacked the starter with a hammer a few times, tried again with a direct battery jump, nothing. Any ideas?

Looks like I have the original starter. Can I keep using it with a 12V system?

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Bob (Aust)

11-09-2007 05:05:54




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
This site, new starter US$224.30.

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$125 is probably reasonable for a fully reconditioned starter including new armature and Bendix drive.



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John(UK)

11-08-2007 11:21:25




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
If it wont turn from a direct connection to a battery then something is sadly wrong with it, you need to take it to an auto-electrician for a check-over. New starters are still available should you need one.....John



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phil(va)

11-09-2007 05:25:22




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John(UK), 11-08-2007 11:21:25  
I think they are a little high, perhaps $25 high, but still cheaper than a new starter. It is the problem I thought originally, loose post on top, and that is cheap fix. New armature should only be around $70 normally in my neck of the woods. But I'd do it if I were you, if they will give you a guarantee of some kind.



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John Upstate

11-09-2007 04:22:32




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John(UK), 11-08-2007 11:21:25  
It's at a starter rebuild shop now. They're quoting me up to $125 to replace the armature and fix a broken connection from the post. How does that sound versus buying another starter?



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John(UK)

11-09-2007 09:09:31




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-09-2007 04:22:32  
On this site a new starter is listed at $224.30 which is about average...John



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Bob (Aust)

11-07-2007 14:20:33




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
1953 TE20??
If it is a 1953 build (same year as mine) it has to be a 12 volt TEA20 with Lucas M35G starter?? (Standard engine).

The original Lucas Bendix drives are near impossible to find.



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Bob (Aust)

11-07-2007 14:16:27




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
If it won't turn on the bench from a known 12 volt source, take it to an auto electrician. Overhaul of the Lucas starter on my TEA20 cost around US$50, including new brushes, bearings, Bendix drive, commutator skimmed and bench tested.



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noncompos

11-07-2007 09:14:17




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
The "fast clicking sound" is the solenoid clicking into and out of contact (turning key to "start" sends power to solenoid, which closes magnetically, connecting battery power to starter), usually because of low input power (low battery, corroded, loose connection) but sometimes because solenoid itself has gone bad internally. Starter may not be "motoring" because you're not jumping correctly (assuming starter turns easily by hand when off, that commutator looks clean, brushes OK and seated, brush springs good tension); there's a lot of variations in starters.
Some solenoids you can jump around; maybe other TE20 owners will comment. Good luck.

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John(UK)

11-08-2007 11:17:13




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to noncompos, 11-07-2007 09:14:17  
No solenoid on a TE20



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noncompos

11-08-2007 18:29:35




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John(UK), 11-08-2007 11:17:13  
Uh-oh.....that"s what comes when talking from generalities, without knowing the idiosyncrasies of the system you"re trying to diagnose...what does the TE have in the system that would click like a solenoid not getting enough power??
John Upstate: my apologies for wrong information.



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John(UK)

11-09-2007 09:50:41




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to noncompos, 11-08-2007 18:29:35  
Don't think anything of it, I often do that too. It is possible that someone may have fitted a solenoid as a lot did a few years ago when they couldn't or thought they couldn't get hold of the safety switch, other than that the starter could do it if there was a bad connection either at the battery or inside the starter itself...John



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Jeff-oh

11-07-2007 08:43:37




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
Fast clicking sound--- sounds like a battery issue. Pull the brushes and take a look at them, perhaps they need replaced.

Jeff



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phil(va)

11-07-2007 08:03:23




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to John Upstate, 11-07-2007 06:57:02  
I have had very luck getting these starters rebuilt by automotive electrical shops. It depends on what"s wrong, but yours could be as simple as a connection, since it obviously isn"t getting any current. The top post should not be tightened too much. Sometimes that makes it loose at the bottom and that can cause the connection inside to come loose. It will have to be resoldered, if that is the case. Kinda delicate soldering I think, as you don"t want to create another problem. Last one I took to a shop with that problem was about $35, including putting in new brushes. If the armature is bad, it might be about $80. Hope that helps.

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phil(va)

11-07-2007 08:08:44




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 Re: TE20 starter in reply to phil(va), 11-07-2007 08:03:23  
Last part of reply i was thinking more about genny, not starter. But first part still applies.



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