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Hills Of TN

10-18-2007 09:16:55




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Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with the Bare-co ROPS for Fergusons?




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Toora Stephen

10-21-2007 17:36:42




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Scott PA, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  

John (MO) said: (quoted from post at 14:22:40 10/19/07) When you use a jack you are slowly adding weight. When you flip or roll a tractor, the weight comes all at once and is often more than the real weight of the tractor. I think it is a mistake to put faith in most ROPS and the bolts they are held on with.


... also the weight on a jack is vertical through its shaft, whereas the weight on a ROPS is transverse.

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greenbank

10-20-2007 12:57:33




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
I thought the whole point of the three point lift was that it kept the front end on the ground when a ground-engaged implement snagged. Most utility tractors like the Fergie are used for above-ground implements these days, though, and the upper link (the crucial one for this to work) is not engaged.



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Lance J.

10-19-2007 08:51:01




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
My personal ROPS consists of not driving the tractor anywhere unless I am absolutely sure it is safe to do so. Before driving through any questionable area, I dismount and walk through it first to ascertain whether it is safe or not. It seems to me that widening the left to right wheel spacing would be the ideal thing to do for use on steep hills.



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Bob (Aust)

10-18-2007 18:22:07




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
It's probably fair to say the Fergy has maimed, injured and killed more drivers than any other tractor, probably in part due to there being more of them - 517,000 TE series alone - and so many now going into "hobby farms".

They are notorious for flipping when used (on hills, stump pulling etc) by the inexperienced and often by the experienced who should know better. We've probably all had Fergy front wheels off the ground.....

Bare-Co site indicates they sell the same ROPS in the USA as in Australia, model no MF1 and MF1F (folding). They both comply with our national safety standards.

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Hills Of TN

10-19-2007 07:41:46




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 Re: ROPS - Pictured Results in reply to Bob (Aust), 10-18-2007 18:22:07  
Bob (Aust), and others-

Does anyone have any pictures of the actual results of a rollover with a ROPS-equipped Ferguson (or Ford N series) to show whether or not the ROPS held together enough to protect the operator?



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Hills Of TN

10-18-2007 17:47:36




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
OOPS! I guess I get to borrow the "Doofus" label from Dunk, over on the Ford 8N forum. When I searched for Bare-Co, I forgot the search engine considers the minus sign kinda different than it is used in the name. Now I SEE all of the ROPS info in the archive area. Thanks for the responses. I am probably gonna bite the big dollar bullet and buy the folding one that Bare-Co sells.

I'm a careful, conservative, cautious operator, but my TO20 will also be used by my son on some areas that have quite a bit of slope and would also involve loading and unloading the tractor on a trailer. I would just feel better with a ROPS on there when he loads it and uses it.

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Jeff-oh

10-18-2007 13:46:28




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
I have not seen then, I believe they have been discussed before and the person who purchased them was pleased.



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Jeff-oh

10-18-2007 13:52:32




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-18-2007 13:46:28  
You can do a search on ROPS and find good info.



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Bob (Aust)

10-18-2007 12:39:12




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
I have a TEA20 ROPS from BareCo, built by Casey Cab & Frame, Victoria, Australia to AS1636. Think it was around the equivalent of US$270.

As you are in the US, I suspect the BareCo ROPS sold in the US will be from a different manufacturer?



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John (MO)

10-18-2007 12:27:35




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 09:16:55  
I saw one once and had 2 thoughts:
1. It wasn`t strong enough to hold the weight of the tractor without bending or breaking away.
2. If you need ROPS on a Fergie, you must be related to Evil Knievel.



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Gerald J.

10-20-2007 10:04:18




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 Re: ROPS in reply to John (MO), 10-18-2007 12:27:35  
If you do a thorough search on ROPS with google you will turn up many reports of ROPS failures because the utility tractor axle housings broke where the ROPS was attached. That's probably why Ford and MF didn't make and sell ROPS because they knew the axle housings weren't strong. It may take a four post ROPS attached to the tractor side rails up front to develop enough total strength to hold the tractor up off the operator when rolled.

The smaller tractors had a long history of climbing the ring gear, especially the Fordson going back to WW1 times. Lots of times with ordinary loads the small tractor needs more front end weight, but that makes it steer harder, so front end weight with or without power steering is avoided.

For ordinary implements AC's snap coupler that put the pulling load connection under the tractor forward of the rear axle helped keep AC fronts on the ground when the plow hit a stump.

Harry Ferguson's three point that lifts the pulling point when the plow pulls hard encourages front end lift. When plowing the large tractors often have a ton or more of weights on the front to maintain steerage.

Gerald J.

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Hills Of TN

10-18-2007 18:06:21




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 Re: ROPS in reply to John (MO), 10-18-2007 12:27:35  
John, they say all farmers in Tennessee walk with a limp because one leg is longer than the other from having to walk on these darn hillsides all their lives.

I do agree that the looks of them don't seem strong enough to support the tractor, but have you noticed how small the pipe structure is that was used on the Ferguson Jack (which holds up ALL of the tractor, not just a portion of the weight. In any event, I know thin air won't hold the tractor up if it rolls so it would be better than nothing. In my 63+ years, I have seen the numbers of people that have been hurt on the Ford 9n, 2n, 8n series and those tractors are every bit as stable as a Ferguson.

I do see some merit in your first point - the second one, Evel Kneivel, doesn't apply because I am allergic to pain!

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John (MO)

10-19-2007 06:22:40




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 Re: ROPS in reply to Hills Of TN, 10-18-2007 18:06:21  
When you use a jack you are slowly adding weight. When you flip or roll a tractor, the weight comes all at once and is often more than the real weight of the tractor. I think it is a mistake to put faith in most ROPS and the bolts they are held on with.



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Jeff-oh

10-18-2007 13:45:29




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 Re: ROPS in reply to John (MO), 10-18-2007 12:27:35  
you said " If you need ROPS on a Fergie, you must be related to Evil Knievel"

Please explain? I do not under stand the point of the reference.



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