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The Bane of Being an Engineer.

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Jeff-oh

10-11-2007 06:15:47




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The discussion below on trailer size and weight ratings reminded me of a story.

I was at a local show last summer and I was talking with a retired chief engineer from where I work. He collects Fairbanks oil field engines. They weigh in the 2 to 3 ton range.

Anyhow he was telling me how he went out to Kansas to pick up his latest engine and loaded it on an appropriately weight rated trailer... i.e 7000 lb.

On the trip home, he hit a section of older road on the highway. The road was very slightly wash-boarded. Not enough to notice in a car. But he looks in his rear view mirror and sees the engine oscillating up and down in a natural frequency. Each slight bump in the road makes the engine go higher. He said he went in a mild panic as he slowed down and waited for the engine to stop... This took a while, as there was little natural dampening. He worried all the rest of the way home he had cracked all the welds in the trailer.

I told him that was the bane of the engineer. We understand the potential danger/damage we may be in or causing and worry while most people would go on happily.

The weight limit on trailers is based on axle rating. The frame and welds probably have not been analyzed, or are of a stress limited design criteria not a deflection limited design criteria.

His trailer now has several pounds of extra steel underneath and is way over designed. It is also nice and stable for his heaviest engines.

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Jim Gorter

10-13-2007 10:28:53




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
I agree that a trailer that is overengineered and overbuilt costs less in breakdown costs and is more of a comfort to pull. I designed (and redesigned) a trailer for my Oilfield engine 3 times, asking others about problems they had and looking at countless other designs. I incorportated the better ideas into my trailer. Even after it was painted and ready, I wished I had made some other changes. Jim.

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RegoR

10-12-2007 06:12:44




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
Well, since we're quoting on the theme of reflection, here's one from Bob Dylan:
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."



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John Mason, Michigan

10-12-2007 06:04:06




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
Jeff, I do quite a bit of design work and have found that "over engineering" to reduce the risk of failure is sometimes wise. It is hell to fail and even worse to fail in timbuck 2. Great story.

John Mason



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Dean

10-12-2007 03:46:28




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
Though it took me years to understand how, There's wisdom in the old adage: Ignorance is bliss.

Dean



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Jerry/MT

10-11-2007 15:07:39




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
Ain"t it the truth, Jeff! There"s a line in an old Bob Seeger song "...I wish I didn"t know now, what I didn"t know then..."
Of course some of that knowledge comes in useful, when your trying to figure out a problem with an old tractor, a jet engine installation, etc.....



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Jeff-oh

10-12-2007 06:50:30




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-11-2007 15:07:39  
Jerry there is an off chance you may know him. It was Pete Mueller -Former Chief Engineer of Mechanical Design here.

He Retired about 3 years ago. Now he and his son keep their fleet of 8 to 10 Fairbanks engines running at all the local shows. He also just restored a nice JD and has restored his family's Ford 2000.



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Jerry/MT

10-12-2007 17:48:32




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-12-2007 06:50:30  
I think i recall the name but he wasn"t a Chief Engineer during my "other life".



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Lance J.

10-11-2007 10:08:26




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Jeff-oh, 10-11-2007 06:15:47  
What you do for a living certainly affects how you respond to every situation. It pains me just to think about all the cars out there with dirty fluids in them.



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Tioga

10-15-2007 17:10:10




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 Re: The Bane of Being an Engineer. in reply to Lance J., 10-11-2007 10:08:26  
True. Think of cholesterol, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. Dirty fluids. . .

If we used the analogy of a well maintained tractor for our physical fitness, our health insurance would go down, the cost of Medicare, Medicaid (ergo.. taxes)? Heck, we'd all have more money for our tractors!

And many of us would forgo the permanent visit to a nursing home.



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