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Plug wires and spark.

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Rob (Al)

06-10-2007 18:07:49




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I've rotated the first cylinder to to top of the stroke but the rotor doesn't point to the plug on the cap that has the 1 beside it. I'm using the plug the the rotor pointed to as #1 would this be correct. I still didn't have spark and found that the points were broke and the condenser wire was burnt in half. I've replaced the condenser and temperarilly fixed the points but I've still got weak spark and can't get the tractor to even sound like it's trying to start. Any idea's as to what to try next. Also what should the plugs and the points be gapped at.

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Rob (Al)

06-12-2007 10:50:08




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Rob (Al), 06-10-2007 18:07:49  
Thanks for the help it fired up last night. I think it was a combination of the points being and and I did have the rotor pointing to the exhaust. I changed the points and found the #1 on the compression and wired it from there, it fired up and sounded good. I tried turning it off and restarting it a few times and it fired up every time. Thanks for the help, I just need to get the throttle adjusted right and I think it'll be good to go for awhile.

Thanks again for the help.

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Rob (Al)

06-11-2007 12:52:28




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Rob (Al), 06-10-2007 18:07:49  
Sorry another brain glich. It's a TO20. It was running when I bought it but then the starter switch shorted out and while I was waiting for a new one and trying to determine what was causing the wires to heat up when trying to start it, the starter drive broke. I've got them both fixed and improved my ground which I think has fixed my wiring heating up problem. But while doing that is when I changed the wires without stopping to mark down how they were when I saw that the wire coming from the #1 cylinder didn't match up with the 1 on the cap, knowing that the man I bought it from isn't the best about doing repairs properly I figured he'd just worried about getting it started not about if everything was right. I'll double check to make sure I'm on compression not exhaust. I've found the points and condenser to both be shorted out. I've replaced the condenser and hopefully can replace the points if they have the right one today, but as it is, it's giving me a weak spark and is not even trying to sound like it wants to fire. I'm going to charge the battery to make sure it's strong but if the points and battery doesn't help the spark what should I try next. The coil?

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Jerry/MT

06-11-2007 15:05:37




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Rob (Al), 06-11-2007 12:52:28  
You need to have a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK and it has to occur at the correct time. SO you need to get that sorted out. Get the points set correctly. Check the distributor shaft/bushing for wear. (With the points correctly set and closed, push radially(from the side) on the shaft while watching the points. There should be no significant motion(less than 0.002") of the shaft or the points. if there is you'll need to get the shaft/bushing problem fixed. Check the spark and once it's FAT and BLUISH-WHITE, get the timing verified.

If you can't get the requisite FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, check the voltage along the primary ignition circuit from the battery to the key switch, from one side of the key switch to the other(with the switch on and the points closed) and at the battery side of the coil. You should have battery voltage up to this point. If you don't, check all the connections. Ifyou hve a large drop in voltage across any component ahead of the coil, that's where the problem is at. Key switches can go bad, wiring connections get corroded and wires loose insulation and short out. Make sure that the wire that runs from the coil to the distributor is attachecd to the coil terminal with the same sign as the battery ground.(i.e. if the battery ground is a positive ground, the wire between the distributor and the coil should be on the positive(+) terminal of the coil.The voltage on the wire running to the distributor from the coil should be near zero(remember the points must be closed for this test.) Now make the points open and measure the voltage across the coil. With the points open, the voltage should be the same nd equal to battery voltage. If it' not your coil is bad.

Write the results down so you can analyze them or report them back here. Don't leave the key switch ON with the points closed for more than 10-15 minutes because you can overheat the coil.

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mickey morris

07-22-2007 05:26:02




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-11-2007 15:05:37  
Jerry,
I have a to35 gas I have a problem with
I have no voltage with the points closed at any point,with the points open I have volts at switch,coil, distributor to coil I have no spark
I replaced condenser,points coil.new key switch
It was converted with 12 volts and alternator

thanks for any help
mick



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Jerry/MT

06-11-2007 10:47:20




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Rob (Al), 06-10-2007 18:07:49  
Remember this is a four stroke cycle so that the piston is at TDC for the compression stroke AND the exhaust stroke. Remove the #1 plug, put your fingr over the spark plug hole, and rotate the engine until you feel pressure on your finger. You are now on the compression stroke. Just tap your starter until the timing mark on the flywheel lines up with with the notch(There's a hole beneath the starter with a notch in it that allows you to see the flywheel marks.) Your rotor should be pointint to the #1 plug terminal in the distributor cap.

Once you have that set up, loosen the ditributor, put the cap on and close it up, remove the center wire from the cap and hold it near a good ground. Turn on the ignition switch and rotate the distributor back and forth til you hear the spark snap. At that point you are staically timed. You may have to do this several time to get it right and when you do, tighten down the hold down bolt. When you get it started, check with a timing ligh and also check the advance mechanism operation by increasing the engine speed and seeing the timing advance.

Since you didn't say what tractor you are trying to time, I can't help you with the specs.

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Bob

06-10-2007 20:31:00




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 Re: Plug wires and spark. in reply to Rob (Al), 06-10-2007 18:07:49  
You MAY have the distributor in 180 degrees "off".

IGNITION "OFF"!!!... with #1 (next to radiator) spark plug removed, hold a finger OVER the spark plug hole while SLOWLY rotating the engine in the direction of normal roation.

As #1 piston is coming up, on the compression srtoke, air will be forcing out past your finger. At TDC, the air coming out will stop, then there'll be suction, as the piston begins to go down. At the point the air quit coming out, the piston is at #1 TDC, and the rotor should be pointing at the #1 high-tension tower, with the points having JUST BEGUN to open.

Check that out, to be SURE the distributor is timed correctly to the engine.

Not sure exactly what you're working on, but points @ .020", and plugs @ .025 " or .030" will get you close!

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