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TEA-20 starting update

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Matt Higgins

06-10-2007 14:12:55




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Hi all - first of all, thank you for your help and advice on starting up our poorly TEA-20.

We've now got it running..... for about 5 seconds. We can get it to start with plenty of choke, runs ok for 5 seconds or so, backfires a lot, throws oil onto the windscreen via the air cleaner, and clunks to a stop.

We tinkered with the timing via the distributor, but not made much difference.

Anyone got any tips? I was thinking that maybe the timing is still out, and we haven't sorted it properly. There's plenty of fuel going to the carb, and we've adjusted the jets as per the manual, but not having much luck.

One thing I did notice is that while it's running, the nut that hold the choke valve oscilates madly, clockwise and anticlockwise. If you hold the choke shut via this nut, it runs for longer, but I don't know what might cause this.

Any help, as ever, gratefully received.

Thanks, Matt

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CENTAUR

06-10-2007 19:10:23




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-10-2007 14:12:55  
Since the air cleaner is spitting out I would disconnect it from the carburetor till I get the engine running like it should.Then I would forget about what the manuel says and open the idle jet up to the maxiuum RPMs with the throttle valve opened with the stop screw so it will continue to run at slow speed.Then open the high speed ajustment up a turn or two and see if it will run with you allowing more fuel to enter the engine.You said their was plenty of fuel getting to the carburetor.Is the inlet screen open at the entrance to the carburetor?Now open the throttle and ajust(in and out) again for the maxiumm RPMs.Let us know if this helps.CENTAUR

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Matt Higgins

06-12-2007 02:13:27




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to CENTAUR, 06-10-2007 19:10:23  
Hi CENTAUR - just reading through you post again, and I've got a couple of queries. I'm not at the tractor at the minute, so I can't look, but when I look at the carb, there are three adjustments I can see - the big screw under the float bowl - am I right in thinking this is the idle jet adjustment?

Above that there is an adjuster with a spring and a slotted head - is that the high speed adjuster?

And behing the neck of the carb, there is an adjuster that seems to be a throttle stop of some sort - how important is that setting?

And finally, I don't understand about the inlet screen at the entrance to the carb. As far as I can tell, the fuel pipe goes straight through to the float chamber, via the float cut off switch. Am I missing something?? The carb is a Zenith.

Thanks for your help, Matt

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Phil (NJ,AZ,SasK)

06-12-2007 08:09:43




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 Re: Zenith Diagram in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-12-2007 02:13:27  
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Upper Screw = Idle, Throttle Stop = Idle speed



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Jerry/MT

06-10-2007 14:51:20




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-10-2007 14:12:55  
Make sure that you have the correct firing order. I'm not familiar with the Standard Engine so I can't tell you what it is. Make sure that you have it timed correctly. I don't have th spec but find where your #1 cylinder spark plug wire enters the distributor cap.. Pull the plugs and with a thumb over the spark plug hole, crank the engine over by switching the starter over intermitently until you feel pressure on your thumb. You are now on the compression stroke. slowly crank the engine by hand until the correct timing mark is lined up. You now have the engine in position to statically time it.

The distributor rotor should now be pointing at/near the #1 plug terminal in the Distributor cap. If it's not than you are severly out of time. You can either pull the distibutor out and get it to near where the #1 plug terminal is where the rotor is pointing or you can move the wires and making sure that the #1 wire is near the terminal where the rotor is pointing. then loosen the distributor hold down bolt, holdthe #1 plug wire near a good ground, turn on the ignition switch and carefully rotate the distributor in small increments back and forth til the plug wire fires. At the point that it fires, you are statically timed. You may have to do this several times to get it right and when you do, carefully tighten the holf down bolt. You should now be able to start it up and check the timing with the timing light. Adjust y rotating the distributor with the engine idling til you have the spec timing. Also check the advance mechanism with the timing light by increasing the rpm and noting the change in the timing with increased speed. you'll also need to make sure that you have a FAT, BLUISH-WHITE SPARK, by removing the center wire from the distributor cap, holding it near a good ground and trying a start.

Hope this helpsyou. Let us know the results.

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Bob (Aust)

06-10-2007 21:13:01




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Jerry/MT, 06-10-2007 14:51:20  
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With the Standard engine in the TEA20/85, there is a 1/4 inch hole through the block casting below the starter motor. Using a 1/4 inch rod, the engine will be on TDC No 1 cylinder when the rod aligns through a corresponding hole in the fly wheel. It is not necessary to remove the starter motor, however if the starter is removed "0" will align with a grove in the starter motor hole.

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Phil (NJ,Az,Sask)

06-11-2007 11:13:41




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:13:01  
Bob Aust, The locating hole has two (2) possible conditions. One is that its # 1 TDC and the other is the opposing Cylinders TDC. The #1 will only be TDC (Compression) every 2 rotations (4 Cycle). You still need to do the spark hole pressure thing before using the locating hole.

JMHO



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Jerry/MT

06-11-2007 10:53:38




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:13:01  
Bob, how do you assure yourself that you are on the compression stroke with the rod in the flywheel hole method? It seems to me you have to use the old "thumb over the #1 spark plug hole" to make sure that you are on the compression stoke and not the exhaust stroke.



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Bob (Aust)

06-10-2007 21:15:53




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:13:01  
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When the engine is at TDC No 1, facing the LH side of the engine, the distributor rotor should be in approximately the 9 o'clock position.

(My distributor contains an electronic igniter which replaces the points and condenser, but the rotor position is the same.)

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Bob (Aust)

06-10-2007 21:21:20




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:15:53  
"When the engine is at TDC No 1, facing the LH side of the engine, the distributor rotor should be in approximately the 9 o'clock position."

Ooops! Not 9 o'clock position. Approximately 10.30 position.



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Bob (Aust)

06-10-2007 21:19:05




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:15:53  
Omitted to mention - the "quill" on the bottom of the distributor drive shaft is off-set to one side. The distributor should only go in and engage in the correct position, not 180 degrees out.



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Matt Higgins

06-11-2007 02:23:30




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-10-2007 21:19:05  
Blimey - thanks a lot guys, plenty to go at there. Sounds to me like we're still miles out on the timing from what you said. I think we'll try and cross that one off the list, then try moving the carb settings about.

As ever, many thanks for your suggestions, I'll keep you posted!

Matt



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Bob (Aust)

06-11-2007 08:19:53




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-11-2007 02:23:30  
Matt

"...runs ok for 5 seconds or so,..."

So, I doubt it is ignition timing.

"...backfires a lot,"

That is a worry....

"...throws oil onto the windscreen..."

You have a windscreen?????

Apart from a good ignition tune up, I still feel your problem is fuel!



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Matt Higgins

06-11-2007 09:10:39




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-11-2007 08:19:53  
Hi Bob

When I say alright, it's difficult to gauge over 5 seconds. It's "ok" when we hold the choke shut, but let go of the nut that's on the other side of the carb than the choke linkage, it's all over. When I took the carb off to re-seal the gasket, the butterfly valve was covered in soot.

It certain is a worry, especially when you've got your head down near the air filter and it's banging through there!!!!

And yes, my Dad picked up a cab off ebay for abuot £60, pretty good (can't see out of the windscreen now though!!)

I wonder if we need to get new pipes and stuff. I carried out the "cow peeing onto a flat rock" test someone like using on here, and it's leaked fuel at a decent rate until the tank was empty, so other than that, I'm a bit stumped.

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Matt Higgins

06-11-2007 09:10:38




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 Re: TEA-20 starting update in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-11-2007 08:19:53  
Hi Bob

When I say alright, it's difficult to gauge over 5 seconds. It's "ok" when we hold the choke shut, but let go of the nut that's on the other side of the carb than the choke linkage, it's all over. When I took the carb off to re-seal the gasket, the butterfly valve was covered in soot.

It certain is a worry, especially when you've got your head down near the air filter and it's banging through there!!!!

And yes, my Dad picked up a cab off ebay for abuot £60, pretty good (can't see out of the windscreen now though!!)

I wonder if we need to get new pipes and stuff. I carried out the "cow peeing onto a flat rock" test someone like using on here, and it's leaked fuel at a decent rate until the tank was empty, so other than that, I'm a bit stumped.

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