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Trouble strating a TEA-20

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Matt Higgins

06-04-2007 06:22:38




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Sorry for cross posting - I (maybe) mistakenly put this on the general restoration board, maybe it will do better here.

Hello everyone - hope you might be able to help me and my old man get a 1947 TEA-20 going. We bought it in a bit of a state off ebay for a challenge, and it"s starting to get the better of us!!!
It"s a 6v machine, and we"ve got a new battery, new dizzy and coil and a couple of 24t2 carbs off ebay that we"ve cleaned and refreshed with refurb kits. So we"ve put it back together, tried to start it, the starter spins (slowly) and nothing happens, except petrol poured out of the air intake of the carb!

We"ve got a spark at all the plugs (they are new), and we"ve fuel to the carb (as it spilling everywhere testifies!), the plug leads are on in the right order, 1-3-4-2, but we"re not even getting a cough.

My old man has taken to trying to start it with a 12v battery connected to the 6v. I was never very comfortable with this approach, and the articles I"ve read on here confirm this, although there seems to be an acceptable method of hooking it straight up to the starter motor (having the tractor out of gear etc etc).

So anyway, sorry for the long message, but as you can imagine, I"m running out of ideas to look at next. Any help very gratefully received.

Thanks, Matt

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John(UK)

06-05-2007 13:45:29




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-04-2007 06:22:38  
You say that you have the HT leads on in the correct order (1/3/4/2)....this is correct but have you got them in the right rotation on the distributor cap. the distributor runs anti-clockwise with the number one HT lead usually at the 10 o'clock position, if you have done it the other way around (clockwise) that would be firing 1/2/4/3 and that would cause your problem, it's happened many times before.

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Matt Higgins

06-06-2007 02:54:14




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to John(UK), 06-05-2007 13:45:29  
Hi John - yes, I double checked with my Dad, and the leads areon anti-clockwise. Apprently we've had a bit of a breakthrough - the tractor now starts and run for 5 seconds or so, then stops.

We've got some things to check like the govenor and throttle linkage, but then we're back to the timing and stuff I guess. There's fuel getting to the carb, and he's done the "easistart" around the gasket checks, which are fine, so I hope we're close.

Then there's just the iffy clutch to look at!!!

Thanks for your reply.

MAtt

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John(UK)

06-06-2007 05:41:54




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-06-2007 02:54:14  
The timing wouldn't cause it to run and then stop, if it was really out it just wouldn't start and if it started it would keep running. If it splutters to a stop rather than just a clean stop then it will most likely be a fuel problem, if it stops quickly and cleanly it will be an electrical fault. If it is an electrical fault then change the condenser even though you may have already changed it. The Governor will have no bearing on this fault but you will need the correct information to re-set it. If you need this info, just email me at:-
fergusontractors(a)tiscali.co.uk
and I will send it and any other information you may need, like for the timing and the Clutch (taking the engine out). Check the fuel flow to the Carb. by unscrewing the drain on the carb and letting it run for at least 5 mins into a jug or whatever to see if the flow stops going into the actual carb.

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Matt Higgins

06-06-2007 06:40:15




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to John(UK), 06-06-2007 05:41:54  
Hi John - many thanks for your kind offer - I'll drop you a note soon as any info we can gather is gratefully received.

Without being there, I think it's a spluttering stop. I'm going over on Sunday, so I'll have a proper look and test the fuel flow.

Matt



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maplehillfrm

06-04-2007 13:44:43




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-04-2007 06:22:38  
once you determine whether your valves are ok, I would have a good battery in the tractor, and then turn on your key make triple sure it is in neutral,, and put + cable on the post of starter and - cable on a good ground [frame, the foot peg normally works great] now when the engine is whirling around, try to choke it with your hand over the carb breather hole, it should suck hard,,, sometimes you need the extra battery spin and the extra 'choke' of the carb to get the old girl going when it hasnt run in some time,, {you shouldn't-although I have before~ shame on me- hook 12 volts to the 6 volt battery- 100 times you will be fine all it will take is that once it will blow up, I have been lucky,}

good luck you will get her going,, spark,gas and air all at the right place at the right time is all they take, you sound like you followed them all to where they should be,,, pat

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Matt Higgins

06-04-2007 14:58:14




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 Re: Trouble starting a TEA-20 in reply to maplehillfrm, 06-04-2007 13:44:43  
Hi Pat - thanks for your reply. I think we'll look at the timing, then try your suggestion!!!

Won't get over until the weekend, but I'll let you guys know how we get on!



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chuck130

06-04-2007 06:47:40




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-04-2007 06:22:38  
Check your valve timing. Sounds like you have an intake valve open when it should be closed.



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Matt Higgins

06-04-2007 07:55:10




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to chuck130, 06-04-2007 06:47:40  
Valve timing eh, I saw a section on that in the manual I have. I've spoken to my Dad today and he's had the head off and apparently the valves are pretty coked up, and there was a bit of debris on top of the pistons, so he's cleaning them, so I guess that won't have been helping either. But I'll have a look through the manual and see how to do the valve timings. Thanks for the quick reply. Matt

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Bob (Aust)

06-04-2007 07:34:24




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to chuck130, 06-04-2007 06:47:40  
Fuel running out the carb? Flooded due to a stuck needle valve? Tried starting with the throttle wide open?

As Matt suggested - have you checked each cylinder compression?



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Matt Higgins

06-04-2007 07:58:40




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-04-2007 07:34:24  
Hi Bob - we've had the needle valves out and cleaned them up, so I don't think it was that. Although the float was a bit iffy, and when we changed it, the fuel problem seemed to disappear, to it might have been coincidence. Probably the old adage of solving one thing at once applies here!

I think the next thing to do is check the compression - is there a particullry effective way of doing it? Thanks for your reply!

Matt

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Bob (Aust)

06-04-2007 14:47:02




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-04-2007 07:58:40  
Matt, if you bought it not going, the problem could be anywhere... Did the engine fire? Even with a burnt or stuck valve, the engine should fire.

You may need a compression test gauge to check each cylinder compression.

Assuming there is no mechanical problem, if you have a strong spark at the plugs, the problem sounds like fuel. Is the fuel new and clean or old and stale?

I've seen a few Zenith 24T2 carbies for sale on EBay (in Australia and the UK) but I'm not sure they are off Fergies and may have incorrect jets etc?

On the one or two occasions my TEA20 flooded, it will usually start with the throttle wide open, or open the carby bowl drain cock whilst tapping on the carby bowl. That may dislodge the needle valve and float (if stuck) and drain off excess fuel.

Is the ignition timing correct? There is a 1/4 inch hole through the casting under the starter motor. With a 1/4 inch rod through that hole and through the corresponding hole in the flywheel, No 1 cylinder will be on TDC.

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Matt Higgins

06-04-2007 14:53:55




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Bob (Aust), 06-04-2007 14:47:02  
Hi Bob - thanks for the reply. The fuel is new, as we"ve had it all to bits. As for the zeniths, I guess you"re right, the couple I bought had the correct linkages on the back, so I assumed they were correct.

Apparently there"s been a bit of progress today - my old man put the engine back together and it ran for about 5 seconds, but completely drained the battery (grrr!!). I think the timing does need doing, that"ll be the weekend job I think.

Thanks for your advice, I"ll keep you posted!!!!

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Bob (Aust)

06-04-2007 17:38:39




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 Re: Trouble strating a TEA-20 in reply to Matt Higgins, 06-04-2007 14:53:55  
If it ran there is hope! I still think your problem sounds like fuel but I'm no expert!



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