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TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission

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Oddity

05-13-2007 21:13:32




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I just picked up a TE20 Massey Ferguson today and have a couple of questions. Everything looks very normal, except the transmission is made of cast aluminum. There are no stampings or markings on is except SM 3 on the side.

The other odd thing is that below where the clutch arm enters the left side of the transmission, there is a shaft that goes all the way through the transmission left and right that have pedals on each side to be operated by foot. On the right side, the pedal locks down similar to a parking brake, but these are not for the brakes as there are pedals for that going to the rear axle.

What type of transmission is this, and what does the left and right pedal do????? Is this a Sherman tranny or???

Any help is appreciated. Thanks. Jason.

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oddity

05-15-2007 19:48:02




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
To clarify my prior post, I have the right side brake pedal that when applied applies both brakes, what I don't have is the arm that attaches to the left side shaft, the arm that attaches on the outer right side shaft, the two shafts or rods that go back from the arms to the brake shafts, and the mounts the go from the brake rods to the actual brake shaft(that applies the brakes). Anyone have these parts?
Jason

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Don Ontario

05-24-2007 13:40:05




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to oddity, 05-15-2007 19:48:02  
Just purchased a rear end to salvage axles and have all the brake components you need, pedals and rods ect, contact me via Link



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oddity

05-15-2007 19:42:11




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
Thanks guys for all the information. From your descriptions, it is definately a TE20. It looks like I am missing the right and left pedals and linkage that attaches to the shaft that go through the tranny. If anyone has this linkage, I am in the market. Thanks again for the great information. Jason 573 270 0205



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John(UK)

05-15-2007 07:32:51




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
If it has a cast aluminium transmission case it is a tractor made in UK. If the oil filler for the engine is just above the starter it is a TEA as that is a Standard Motors engine, if the oil filler is forward of the distributor that is a TE with a Continental engine. The engine numbers both are in roughly the same place,between the coil and the distributor on the continental and it will begin with Z120 on a plate riveted to the block, on the Standard engine it is stamped in the block and it will be between the Oil filler and the coil, the numbers will start with an "S" or "SC" depending on its age. The brakes, the foot-brake for BOTH wheels is the one on the right side that you can lock down for parking, the other pedals you mention that go to the back axle are independent brakes that work just on the wheel on the same side as the pedal, this is to aid turning sharply when in row-crops and should not be used any other time as it may lock up that wheel so you should only be moving slowly when you use it. If you email me at:-
fergusontractors@tiscali.co.uk I will send you the tractor instruction Book for your tractor this will explain everything to you, maintenance too.From how you explain everything you just have a normal transmission tractor, if it was a Sherman it would have an extra lever on the Clutch Housing to operate it...John

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Bill Brox

05-15-2007 07:23:09




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
Hi Jason,

Am I misunderstanding this, or do you mean you have two separate brake pedals mounted on each shaft at the rear axle ? This is normal, and is to be able to brake only one wheel at a time.
Then, do you mean you have 1 clutch pedal on the left side of the tractor, and then 1 more pedal on the left side, and then 1 pedal on the right side ?
This would be something I have never heard of. It is meant to be 1 pedal on the left side, and that is the clutch pedal. On the right side it is supposed to be 1 pedal too, and that is a brake pedal braking on both wheels at the same time and also working as a parking brake.

The cast aluminum you talk about in the transmission is actually a material they called "Electron".
Remember that this material easily is eaten up by corrosion.
I see some calls TE for Tractor Europe, I have never heard that one before. Normally over here we think of it as Tractor England.


Bill

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Oddity

05-14-2007 18:58:30




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
Right on!!! You nailed it on the picture.

Ok, it is either a TE20 or a TEA20. If this is a Europe tractor, why is it in Missouri? I cannot find a data plate on this machine anywhere. Is it stamped somewhere? Serial number?? Also, how do I know which engine that I have that makes it a TE or a TEA? Does anyone have a picture of the two engines?

Last question for the night. Are parts available for the te's? Suppliers?

Sorry for the multiple questions and I appreciate any responses. Jason 573 270 0205

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Bob (Aust)

05-14-2007 03:50:59




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Oddity, 05-13-2007 21:13:32  
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I think you will find all the TE (Tractor Europe) series tractors had aluminum transmission casings. Only the TO (Tractor Overseas) series tractors had steel castings.

I suspect from your description you have a normal TE20 transmission - although I've never seen a TE20. I think you are referring to the clutch and brake pedals, both of which have shafts passing through the bell housing, one above the other.

You should also have two backwards facing differential (left and right) brake pedals.

Photo is the right side of my TEA20 transmission. You can see the "blank end of the clutch rod" above the "brake pedal rod".

You can just see the diff housing casting date in the diff housing, between the "port hole" and gear box flange.

Please excuse my highly technical component terms, but I'm an accountant, not a mechanic!! LOL

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Bob (Aus)

05-14-2007 21:14:23




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Bob (Aust), 05-14-2007 03:50:59  
"...why is it in Missouri?"

Perhaps the British left it there when they got thrown out in 1783?? LOL

The TE20 has a Continental Z120 engine, the TEA20 has a Standard Motor Company engine. You'll have to wait until I get home this evening for a photo of the Standard engine.

Looking at my engine in the photo, you can just see three numbers cast into the diff housing, between the "port hole" and gear box mounting flange. What are those three numbers on your tractor?

What is the engine number of your tractor? (If a Standard Engine the number will be stamped into the block between the distributor and coil, from memory.)

Is it 6 volts or 12 volts? Are the starter and generator branded "Lucas"?

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oddity

05-15-2007 19:54:22




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Bob (Aus), 05-14-2007 21:14:23  
The distributor is a Lucas, but my tractor is missing the generator and the starter. Will any generator and starter from a TE20 work on my machine?

Jason



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Bob (Aust)

05-15-2007 02:17:29




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Bob (Aus), 05-14-2007 21:14:23  
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Note the oil filter and oil filler position on my engine. If the left side of your engine looks like mine and you have an aluminum casting transmission, it sounds like you have a TEA20. The Standard engine number is stamped into the block, immediately behind the coil and should start with "SC" (my engine number is SC52793E).

(The starter motor is out of my tractor during the rebuild. It mounts slightly above the small silver pin you can see through into the bell housing, which I am using to hold the engine at TDC on No 1 cylinder.)

If the engine is different, engine number starts with "Z120" and you have an aluminum casting transmission, it sounds like you have a TE20.

There was a good thread in this forum a week or two ago which had photos of both the Continental and Standard engines and highlighted the differences.

Hope all that solves the problem of what Fergy you have!

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Bob (Aust)

05-16-2007 02:40:14




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Bob (Aust), 05-15-2007 02:17:29  
"The distributor is a Lucas, but my tractor is missing the generator and the starter."

Oddity. If it has a Lucas distributor it must be a TEA20 with Standard engine. I think the Continental engine had a Delco distributor?

What engine do you have? The same as my engine in the photograph?

I would be extremely surprised if the starter or generator off a TE20 or TO20 would fit a TEA20. And the starters fitted to a 6 volt TEA20 is very different to the starter fitted to a 12 volt TEA20.....

Can't really help you any more unless you confirm which engine you have.

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oddity

05-16-2007 04:32:09




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to Bob (Aust), 05-16-2007 02:40:14  
The engine is a continental as it has the oil filler tube on the left front and has a Z120 cast into the block. The dist does say lucas though.

Jason



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cdmn

05-18-2007 19:34:06




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 Re: TE20 Ferguson Odd transmission in reply to oddity, 05-16-2007 04:32:09  
When I got my TEA20 it had a Z120 engine installed, (badly). It had the Lucas distributer and I believe, the Lucas starter and generator. I replaced the generator with a 1 wire alternator and converted to 12 volts. Since then I've installed a Perkins diesel engine. I think it's quite well established that the TE20 tractors shipped to the US, even though with a Continental engine, still had Lucas electric components. The Detroit-made Fergusons took a while longer to reach the market, that's why a TE20 ended up in Missouri. If a TEA20 shows up in the US, it probably originated in Canada. There was a period right after WWII when the "colonies" were pretty much strong-armed to buy British stuff in order to help them recover their economy. When you're the boss, you can dictate high import duties on things not made in Britain, and that includes the colonies. Colonies are what you need to get cheap raw materials, and to sell manufactured stuff to at above world market prices. YOu win, coming and going. Until they get sick of it. Remember July 4th?

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