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TE20 / Engine Stand

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MGDavis

04-12-2007 03:22:14




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I am going to be splitting my TE20 and wanted to place the engine on an engine stand while I"m working on it. I noticed that the Shop Manual shows a stand that uses an arm that attaches to points at both the from and the rear of the engine as opposed to the type I am acustomed to which attach to the motor mount bolt holes in the front og the engine alone. I was wondering if the casting in the Z120 is strong enough to support the weight of the engine from the front alone or should I play it safe and find an alternative method? Any ideas? Thanks Mark

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John (UK)

04-12-2007 10:28:09




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to MGDavis, 04-12-2007 03:22:14  
The early factory engine stand used to attach to the front only on that engine, so no problem.



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Jim in OH

04-12-2007 06:02:18




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to MGDavis, 04-12-2007 03:22:14  
Any typical engine stand will work.. and from either end, although typically from the back (flywheel) end.... While not the strongest block in the tractor world, by any means... as a note of assurance, keep in mind that the engine is the only structural element (there are no side rails typical of JD, IH, etc.) between the front and back... the front could be off the ground or just the opposite with a full bucket in a loader... Jim

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gerard

04-12-2007 14:14:40




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Jim in OH, 04-12-2007 06:02:18  
TE20 has side rods between bellhousing and front axle mounting to compensate for lack of block rigidity.



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Dan S (NY)

04-12-2007 15:30:03




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to gerard, 04-12-2007 14:14:40  
I have always thought that the rods from the bell housing to the front axle on the TEs where because of the transmission bell housing being aluminum (or some alloy) and not cast iron. The reason I thought this was the TO20s don�t have the rods and use the same Z120 engine as the TE20s but they have the cast iron tranny bell housing. So is block rigidity really the reason for the support rods on the early TEs or the strength of the bell housing itself? Did they modify the Z120 block for the TO20s? Just wondering�

Dan

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Bill Brox

04-13-2007 03:49:15




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Dan S (NY), 04-12-2007 15:30:03  
Excuse me, can you please tell me what kind of rods between the bellhousing and the front axle the TE 20 have that the TO 20 and TO 30 does not have ?
The only rods I know of is the mandatory radius rods, and they should be present on TE 20, TE(X) 20, TO 20, TO 30, TO 35, FE 35, and MF 35. And this counts for both spark engine and diesels.
These are not to conpensate for engine block weakness. But, the front axle is sliding back and forth on the axle pin when you change track widths on the front wheels. So, to keep the axle from sliding back and forth when driving, the radius rods are there. In addition they keep the axle from tipping to a negative caster angle, or positive if you drive backwards.
Of course this rod releive some forces on the block when hitting something with a wheel. But, as I said, these rods are also present on the TO series too. The rods are present more to control the front axle than to strengthen anything.

The only rod except this is the ones from the steering box to the steering arm on the king pin ends.

Please enlighten me here.


Bill Brox.

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Dan S (NY)

04-13-2007 19:50:06




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 03:49:15  
third party image

From the parts book...



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gerard

04-13-2007 13:09:04




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 03:49:15  
I said front axle MOUNTING - not front axle.



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Bill Brox

04-14-2007 00:47:48




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to gerard, 04-13-2007 13:09:04  
gerard, as you see above I responded to Dan's post and he said "front axle". If I had seen a TE 20 I would have a chance to find. But, we can not have many TE 20 in Norway. Must be extremely few. I wish I could find one.

Now I see, and everything is clear for me. The fog is gone now... :-)

Bill



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John (UK)

04-13-2007 08:56:31




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 03:49:15  
Gerard is referring to the two rails, one either side, level with the top of the oil Pan not the Radius Rods. They are only on the Continental engine not the Standard Engine.



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Bill Brox

04-13-2007 10:27:47




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to John (UK), 04-13-2007 08:56:31  
Ok,,, so they are not going to the front axle ? That was what I think I read, and could not understand a thing.


Bill



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John (UK)

04-13-2007 13:04:08




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 10:27:47  
Yes it was confusing Bill, I had to think a bit before I got what he meant...John



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Dan S (NY)

04-13-2007 04:51:56




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 03:49:15  
Bill, the rods on the TE20 attach to the bell housing and run along side the oil pan and attach to the front axle support. I tried to find a picture on the net real quick but most of the time the front wheel hides the rods. I might have one saved on my home computer and I know my parts book shows them. I'll try again later.
Dan



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Bill Brox

04-13-2007 03:53:49




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Bill Brox, 04-13-2007 03:49:15  
Sorry, I forgot to say that the MF 135 also have radius rods for thos who are equipped with the bent front axle.

Bill



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gerard

04-12-2007 22:55:42




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Dan S (NY), 04-12-2007 15:30:03  
Interesting point - the way the rods mount at the front always made me assume the weakness was between the axle & bellhousing (= engine). However, if TO20"s have the same engine (but cast iron bellhousing) but don"t have the rods? then you would be right. When I look at other tractors (eg MF135 with masasive cast iron sump as structural member) then look at TE20 with its tin oil pan and spindly lugs, I"d always presumed the front lugs were the issue. Dangerous to presume!

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Jim in OH

04-12-2007 14:47:46




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to gerard, 04-12-2007 14:14:40  
Thanks for correcting me, Gerard.... Everytime I assume the answer for TE is the same as TO, I get in trouble.. This one seemed simple... From now on, I will stick to what I have... :) TO-30.. Jim



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MGDavis

04-12-2007 16:01:50




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 Re: TE20 / Engine Stand in reply to Jim in OH, 04-12-2007 14:47:46  
Thanks to all for the advice. Sounds like I'm good to go.



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