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mike a. tenn.

03-30-2007 14:46:07




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well i found out this afternoon why i couldn't ever permanently get the gas to stop leaking on my to-20 at the carb where the secret screen elbow screws into it. pulled it out to inspect it closely, and noticed the inlet hole was cracked. it's had to have been this way for a long time as i never could get the leak to stop for any length of time, and it's been getting worse.

anyway, started digging around to see how badly it was actually cracked and found out it was pretty bad because a whole chuck came loose and fell off it.

my questions are, has this ever happened to any of you? if so, did you find a way to fix it or did you replace the carb. if you replaced the carb, did you have to replace the whole thing or can i obtain the top half of the carb separately from the bowl half? i'm fairly sure this is the original carb, and would like to keep it if possible.

i was thinking of trying to braise it, but thought i'd run it past you guys first. (i've learned to ask first, then do) i'll appreciate any help or advice...

-mike

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Irv ( Ia)

04-01-2007 18:54:46




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 14:46:07  
I'd agree also with what's been said. One thing about it, ya got nothing to loose! I know that part is pretty small but if you can grind a little v in the mating parts it seems to help the process. For one thing, it gets those parts really clean where the braze goes and as others have said that's really important. Getting the part up to temp before ever touching the rod to it is really good advice. Also, I'd use a very small diameter brazing rod.

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tuck

03-31-2007 21:15:49




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 14:46:07  
I agree with all that has been written, esp. Jerry's comments. In addition, the expert who gave me tips over the years held strongly for getting all the work (the whole works no matter the size, and particularly with cast material to keep the heat even) well heated to brazing temp before even attempting to apply rod. I also agree with clean clean clean and plenty of flux out of the can applied dirrctly to the work if necessary and on the rod.

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John (TR)

03-30-2007 16:17:00




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 14:46:07  
I'd think brazing is the best choice, the trick is to mechanically hold the parts in alignment so while you work on it without attaching it to the support. Not sure how you are going to do that but clean clean clean and use plenty of flux. Ditch the pre fluxed stuff and get a can of flux so you can add to the plain brass rod as needed. Its a small part and should heat fairly evenly with a little waving of the torch.

I brased my dad's forge after it fell out of his pickup adb broke a section out of the side where the hand pump is for the blower.

For what its worth there are MS for TO20's on ebay from time to time somewhere in the 30-60 range plus shipping and 20-40 for a kit depending on which one you want

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Jerry/MT

03-30-2007 15:09:02




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 14:46:07  
It's cast iron so I think you could braze it and then drill and tap it. Other wise unless someone has a spare upper assembly you'll have to replace it.



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mike a. tenn.

03-30-2007 15:36:03




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to Jerry/MT, 03-30-2007 15:09:02  
thanks jerry...i do think i can braize it if i'm careful and not get it too hot. it's worth a try anyway. got any tips t'keep it from coolin' too fast or slow? do you think i should keep some heat at it for a while after braizing and slowly let it cool down? any tips appreciated.

-mike



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Jerry/MT

03-30-2007 16:10:58




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 15:36:03  
Mike, I am no expert but if you were welding it you'd need to preheat and then slowly cool the part down. But brazing isn't as high a temperature process so controlled cooling isn't critical. Make sure that you really clean the area to be brazed very well



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John (Ont)

03-30-2007 15:51:34




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-30-2007 15:36:03  
A friend of mine has welded cast iron pieces for me (legs and oven door from a wood fired cookstove) and what he does with small pieces is place them on top of a woodstove and get them hot. Then he welds them on the stove and leaves them there overnight until the stove cools down. They seem to be alright.



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mike a. tenn.

03-30-2007 16:00:51




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 Re: need your imput. in reply to John (Ont), 03-30-2007 15:51:34  
Hmmmm! thanks john...that's a good idea. wouldn't have thought of that one. i might fire up the woodstove in the shop and try it!. and here i thought i'd built my last fire down there this year...just shows t'go ya...ya never know.

-mike



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