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Clint Brown

03-26-2007 16:56:50




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I have rebuilt my Z129 engine with new sleeves, pistons, rings,oil pump,etc, and it runs well. However it is very noisy; mainly a clacking soundfrom the engine that tracks engine speed. While I installed new valves, I didn't put in new valve guides. Is this the problem? The engine clacks when I turn it over by hand. Any ideas? Thanks.




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gshadel

03-27-2007 09:22:48




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Clint Brown, 03-26-2007 16:56:50  
Clint, these old mechanical overhead valve trains do clack louder than the hydraulic valves in a newer automotive engine. Not being able to hear what your talking about... it's possible what your hearing is "normal". When I first got my TO... I thought the dang engine was ready to fall apart it was clanking so much louder than what I was used to. After rebuilding it, it still sounds like my 'ol '89 VW Golf that has worn out hydraulic valve lifters.


It probably would be a good idea to pull the gas tank & valve cover and check your valve tappet clearances. No, you don't need to do cold & hot tappet clearences... one or the other is just fine. Manual says .015" cold, OR .013" hot. Cold is room temp, hot is operating temp. That goes for both intake & exhaust. Worn valve guides won't make noise, just cause higher oil consumption, and in severe cases sticking valves. With the valve cover off, you will be able to check-over your lifter rods, tappet clearences, valve springs, etc. to make sure all is in good order. Your valve area under the valve cover should be wet from splashing oil, but won't have oil gushing from the rocker assembly while running. Crazy as it sounds, the manual walks you through adjusting the valve tappets WITH THE ENGINE RUNNING. That can be done without spraying oil all over the garage... and you, so that gives you an idea of oil spray. Yes, it IS possible you are hearing something in your governor. How does your governor respond? Your ball-type governor does make some clanking noise when turning the engine by hand as the big ball bearing clank around as they don't have enough RPMS for centrifugal force to throw them all out against the cone plate, so you hear them clank up & down from the force of gravity as the governor turns and the balls fall up & down.

George

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CllintT030

03-27-2007 16:01:03




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to gshadel, 03-27-2007 09:22:48  
Thanks to all of you for your suggestions. It will be several weeks before I can look at the valves again. I'll post any results, good or bad later!



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Bickletonbob

03-27-2007 08:47:19




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Clint Brown, 03-26-2007 16:56:50  
Sounds like you are going to find something in the valve train, could be anything. Pull the valve cover off and turn by hand. An extra set of hands will help to see what's going on. Was there anything different with the new valves or springs? (length) Double check adjustment. I think you'll find something simple, good luck.



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Bickletonbob

03-27-2007 08:10:22




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Clint Brown, 03-26-2007 16:56:50  
In a previous life I worked as an automotive machinist, and I don't think guides are the noise. The big clue is that you can hear the clack when turning the engine over by hand. The next question is the noise coming from the valve area, down low or in the front? I'm curious to know what you find, give us an update. Bob



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ClintTO30

03-27-2007 08:24:40




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Bickletonbob, 03-27-2007 08:10:22  
Bob, the noise seems to come directly from the valves when turning it over by hand. It's been a couple of years since I did the restoration and I recall that I wondered if the noise was coming from the governor. Do you suspect crankshaft bearings? Valves and springs are new.



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Mike Mohrhauser

03-26-2007 19:27:51




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Clint Brown, 03-26-2007 16:56:50  
When you adjusted your valves, did you adjust them after the engine was warm with it running?Did you have plenty oil flying around if you did. I had the same problem with my TO-20 and found that the locator pin in the rocker arm shaft was missing and there wasn't enough oil getting to the whole rocker arm assembly to keep it sufficently lubricated.Thus causing the rocker arms to rattle excessively.Is it otherwise running smoothly? Let us know what you figure out.

Mike M.

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Clint TO30

03-27-2007 08:15:59




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 Re: Noisy TO30 in reply to Mike Mohrhauser, 03-26-2007 19:27:51  
I adjusted the valves cold. I'll have to check on the oil passage. I'd only have to remove the cylinder head for that? RIght now, busy planting seedling trees. Clint.



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