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Joe kirby

03-23-2007 09:06:55




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Started my tractor yesterday and water started shooting out of the valve cover blow by pipe. I;m afraid I have a bad head gasket or worse, has any one ever experienced this and what was the problem. Tia Joe




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Joe Kirby

03-25-2007 13:51:09




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to Joe kirby, 03-23-2007 09:06:55  
Thanks all for your responses, the oil diffently has water and oil mixed with it a brownish goo is what I am seeing. There is no visable leaks arounfd the head or block. I hope it is just a blown head gasket..... .....will let you know what it turns out to be..... ..... ....Has anyone ever heard of waterglass? Someone told me that it may help to seal up a crack in a block if not badly cracked, or am I cracked?..... ..... ..... ..... Joe

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joe kirby

03-23-2007 15:31:49




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to Joe kirby, 03-23-2007 09:06:55  
I used the tractor last week to grade the driveway and it had been low on water I filled it the continued using it. The tractor sat all winter with coolant installed. The water pump has been replaced but I never liked how it performed, the tractor never overheated. Engine was rebuilt several years ago this is the first sign of trouble. The water started spewing right after I started it , it had not run long..... ...Joe

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Jerry/MT

03-23-2007 20:49:55




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to joe kirby, 03-23-2007 15:31:49  
Is your oil showing signs of coolant in it? It sounds like what you're seeing is not a bit of condensation coming out of the breather so you'll have to pull the valve cover and see where the coolant is coming from that allows it to spray out of the breather tube. If it's coming out of the breather, you should have coolant in your oil also since the push rod channels are the oil return from the valve train and the passage for the breather fumes to get to the breather tube.

How cold did it get in your neck of the woods between when you last used the tractor in November and this recent event? How much water/antifreeze did you have in your cooling system? Could the coolant have frozen? Why were you unhappy with the water pump performance?

The only way I can think of that water could flood the valve train area and flow out of the vent tube would be some sort of a crack in the upper part of the cylinder head. But it would also flood the crankcase through the pushrod channels.

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mike a. tenn.

03-23-2007 16:07:07




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to joe kirby, 03-23-2007 15:31:49  
joe...please check out the first question i asked you...is it spewing plain WATER, or COOLANT? this is a detail we need to know . if it's coolant you have a problem and we can go from there, if it's just plain water, it's probably only condensation. check it out and get back to us. if you're not sure, put a small, tiny, dab on the end of your tongue...if its somewhat "sweet" it's coolant.



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mike a. tenn.

03-23-2007 16:17:16




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 Re: TO30 problems..PS in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-23-2007 16:07:07  
joe...when you say "spewing" are you saying that water/coolant, whichever, is GUSHING out of your vent tube? or is it just blowing out some fine spray or droplets?

the more info you give the better we can picture what your problem is since we can't be there to actually see it.



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mike a. tenn.

03-23-2007 16:21:21




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 Re: TO30 problems..PS..S in reply to mike a. tenn., 03-23-2007 16:17:16  
also...like JerryM/T asked in his post...is your coolant lever dropping?



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Jerry/MT

03-23-2007 11:59:40




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to Joe kirby, 03-23-2007 09:06:55  
How about some more info? Was it a momentary thing? Is the radiator coolant level lowered? It could be anything from "normal" condensate from a lack of use to a blown head gasket or a cracked block or head. There are a lot of knowlwdgable folks with a great deal of experience on this forum that are willing and abler to help but none of us are clarvoyant. So give us all the info you can so we can help you.

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mike a, tenn.

03-23-2007 10:09:24




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to Joe kirby, 03-23-2007 09:06:55  
first question...was it water or coolant?

second question...how long had it been sitting?



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Joe Kirby

03-23-2007 17:05:05




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to mike a, tenn., 03-23-2007 10:09:24  
It was a mixture of both although there was more water than coolant. and yes it was spewing out not misting or droplets. I last used the tractor in November it has sat until now..... .Joe



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mike a. tenn.

03-23-2007 17:53:06




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 Re: TO30 problems in reply to Joe Kirby, 03-23-2007 17:05:05  
well joe...if there's coolant/antifreeze coming out of your vent tube, it's something more than just condensation. i'm kind of confused tho when you say it's a mixture of both, but more water than coolant. your coolant is already mixed with water right? one other thing, you're absolutely sure it's coming OUT of the vent tube right? not dripping down it from the outside? is there any other indications of moisture/coolant anywhere else on the block, around the fan or radiator? or maybe leaking around the head gasket where the head and block meet?

also, have you checked your oil? is it clean and dark brown or black, or is it a lighter milky color like there's moisture mixed with it?

from the little you've described, i'm thinking like Jerry said, it's possibly either a head gasket problem, a cracked head, or a cracked block you''re dealing with. there's only one way to find out for sure and that's to start tearing it down. before you do tho, inspect everything very closely. all the things i mentioned above and also all your radiator hoses. i had a radiator hose in one of my cars with a tiny pinhole leak in it one time, that was shooting coolant back on the engine and then dripping off. it took very close inspection in good light to see that tiny stream of coolant. for a while i was afraid i had a cracked gasket, head or block. let us know if you find anything else, and if you need more help let us know what you need. try to be as detailed as possible with whatever you bring back here. i don't know how much you know about engines and repairing them, or all the "correct" terminology, but don't worry about NOT knowing and maybe asking what seems like a dumb question, cuz there are no dumb questions here. there are only a couple of us on here that are "experts" and true tractor mechanics. the rest of us are just tinkerers and "shade tree" mechanics (like me). but we all do the best we can to help each other out.

-mike

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