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what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO?

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gshadel

02-12-2007 11:33:58




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And what's your secrets for cold starting success?

The coldest I ever starting my 6 Volt TO-20 was 5 degrees F, and that was the "heat of the afternoon". Started up right away... although I must admit I gave it a shot of ether first.... my battery was weak and I had a LOT of snow to push. That was a few years back, before my rebuild & running 40 WT oil.

It has been in the -2 to -8 degrees F range every night for the past week, I hadn't run my TO in probably a month. I waited 'til ~ Noon, temp. was 13 degrees F, and decided I better start my TO-20 and clear the drive, expecting ~8" more snow tomorrow. Started right-up, no ether. I had to keep my foot on the clutch for a minute or two, she kept wanting to stall trying to turn that cold tranny oil & PTO. After a minute or so, was able to let out the clutch & idle in neutral (PTO turning) for a another couple minutes before getting busy. Noticed a slight weeping of antifreeze around the radiator hose connection on the water pump for a few minutes until things heated-up enough to seal-up the cold rubber.

My secrets - I switched to 10W40 oil after my rebuild, clean the electrical connections every year and cover with light coating of grease, I stomp on the clutch before starting, hit the starter first, THEN pull the choke knob, but only choke for ~3-4 seconds at a time.

I live in "fairly mild" Ohio, I'm sure some of you guys up North can beat that.

George

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baronvonstueben

02-15-2007 15:48:03




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
-30 below. But with a hose heater!



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C.T. in Va.

02-13-2007 14:42:34




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
When it gets in the teen's outside,i just change the batteries in the remote and tractor and let'er roll around on the floor. HeHe

All bull laid aside,the coldest time i can remember was 7 above 0 and it started right up and moved,hydraulics were kinda slow going but she purrrrred along.But here in Va,we don't have many long real cold snaps.It can be 10 tonite and 30 tomorrow night.Not like some of you who sleep through the winter months.Hehe

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DennisPinOhio

02-13-2007 10:35:53




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
A couple weeks ago, it was just above freezing and she cranked over much faster than I thought she would. I think the battery must be a good one, as it had been sitting for several weeks. (Battery is from TSC.)
She fired, but only with the help of ether, but not a lot, mind you.
Then she would not move. Seemed as though the driveline was frozen, or something. So, I sat there holding in the clutch. Everytime I tried to let it out, she would almost stall. After a while, she broke loose in first gear and cleared out the driveway just fine.

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steve19438

02-13-2007 10:54:42




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to DennisPinOhio, 02-13-2007 10:35:53  
mebbe it froze to the ground????



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marlowe

02-12-2007 20:23:13




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
i have 5 to-20s and they will all start at -20 or colder and they don't have heaters on and are all 6volt all have 15-40 oil in and sit in a open air shed and if any one don't think they will come on out



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Paul Kingsbury

02-12-2007 15:17:27




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
-30 degrees F. That was about 1974. My dad rebuilt our TO-30 in 1964. It has always started every winter. Talk about a bad machine; every decade we had to put in a new battery! Well all right, the best machine we have ever had.



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mike a. tenn.

02-12-2007 17:37:35




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to Paul Kingsbury, 02-12-2007 15:17:27  
MY TO? i'd say about 45, or maybe even 50....ABOVE ZERO!! if it ever gets as cold here in tenn as some of these places you guys are talking about, the only reason i'm even gonna go outside is to throw a handful of feed to the chickens, make sure the furnace is loaded to the top with wood, and then come in and stay in!

ok...i've probably had it going when it was down around 10 degrees or so, but only to get another load of wood up near the furnace. i spent too many hours trying to start machinery where i retired from in the freezing cold to allow myself to do it now. if it gets that cold out, this old man stays IN!

-mike

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Ron Lindquist

02-12-2007 14:57:08




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
We had -27 F. the other day. Pluged in the lower hose heater and have a magnetic oil pan heater, left them on about 1-1/2 hr. Full choke, 8 volt batterey, started right up. warmed her up about 4-5 min. and away we went !



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Bob (Aust)

02-12-2007 14:38:03




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
Other end of the spectrum - I started my TEA20 last weekend and the temp was 42 C/108 F.

Sure didn't need choke!!

Do you guys use anti freeze (e.g. Prist or similar) in the fuel??

Temps often get into the 40s here in the Summer, but its a very dry heat. Highest I remember was trying to take off (in a King Air) at Mt Isa in 48 C/118 F ambient temps - and the aircraft/engine Performance Charts indicating max 42 C max TO temp. Turbines down on power and a significant lack of lift!!!

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John(Ont)

02-12-2007 13:20:35




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
While it's not a TO, it's a TEA, mine has started at -35 F (a couple of years ago) with no problem or assisstance from a heater, ether, etc. It sits outside in the snow. 10W30 oil, choke for a couple of turns until it fires and back choke off to half way. Good battery. This year it has not been as cold but starts every time. Only one time it did not start was one day with blowing snow the distributor had a fine layer of snow in it. Cleaned it out and away it went.

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Lynn Key

02-12-2007 11:54:02




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
My son used ours to clear the driveway last week, had been down in the 2 to 5 degree range for several days here in the Shenandoah Valley of Va. A little choking, nothing else done, and she took right off. I haven't done anything special to it, just bought it off my brother in law this past summer. Great tractor! That metal seat sure can be cold!



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willpond

02-12-2007 11:51:24




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
1948 TO-20 SERIAL #313 - went out the other morning, -6`F, straight 10-30W motor oil, 6V system, weak battery,(no rebuild, all orig.) pushed clutch down hard, hit starter, pulled choke for 2 or 3 cranks fired right up! Once oil pressure settled down to a nice even 25 lbs. and I felt some warmth off the motor, putted around for half an hour with the lights on! 6v system never sounds like it has enough juice to start, but always does! Thought the lights would kill battery but it started up two days later (-4`F)! These old tractors just love to run!

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jddozermike

02-12-2007 11:47:44




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to gshadel, 02-12-2007 11:33:58  
I read an article somewhere, (think in one of those tractor history books) Where they put tracks on some Fergies and took them to the Antarctic circle.
Now You KNOW that was COLD!



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John (UK)

02-12-2007 12:47:47




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to jddozermike, 02-12-2007 11:47:44  
Yes they did send some tractors to Antarctica, they were TEA's made in the UK and they filled them with 10sae oil and about 80% Anti-freeze. The only problems they had was the batteries got too cold stood out at night so they removed them and took them inside to keep them something like warm, no problems after that. Because the air is so rare out there, they are at high altitude in parts, they removed the Air Cleaners to allow more air in without restriction, the air is so clean out there you can do that without any ill effects, do not try this at home.

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Bill Brox

02-13-2007 02:43:10




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to John (UK), 02-12-2007 12:47:47  
Hi John,

There is to add to this that at the high altitude the power went so down that they had to adjust the governor to run at a much higher engine speed and instead use lower gears.

I also wonder, you know, some track ribs is connected with square steel rings, but on the tracks used to the south pole they had gotten rubber bands from Norway and the track ribs where bolted to the rubber bands. I can not understand why the rubberbands did not break when they got brittle in all that frost.

My dad used his TEA 20 in bad winter conditions. Once he told me the entire tractor was covered completely in drifted snow, nothing to see.
They were building roads, and they needed the tractor. Some of the guys said the tractor would never start, and there would not be done any work that day.
Dad went out with a shovel, digged one hole for the distributor, one for the air filter intake, and one for the crank. The battery was not good, so he just gave it some trottle, choke, and turned the crank a couple of times, and the engine run.
He went in the cabin to the others and they did not believe the tractor was running, until one of them got out for more firewood and he saw some smoke coming up from the snowpile.

So, there is strong evidence that the grey menace pleased their owners in many ways.


Bill

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John (UK)

02-13-2007 05:15:46




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to Bill Brox, 02-13-2007 02:43:10  
Bill,
The only people the gray menace didn't please were the Ford guys....lol
There is a lot that I could have written about those tractors in Antarctica but just where do you stop, I go on far too long as it is...lol
It just shows what these tractors could do from your description of what your Dad was doing with his, you can understand them saying that it would never start in conditions like that and considering it didn't have the benefit of electronic ignition and properly insulated HT leads, it was marvellous. They never cease to amaze just what they have done over the years, anyone who doesn't give them credit is is one jealous person....John

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ric1

02-12-2007 12:32:34




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to jddozermike, 02-12-2007 11:47:44  
i once owned a to30 sold it to buy some reg. black angus cows and ill tell you what that is an all around tractor that i think is impossible to beat. would be nice if they had position control and live power but you cant have everything ill have another one of these days.



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Matt_in _KS

02-13-2007 03:30:51




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 Re: what's the coldest you ever fired-up your TO? in reply to ric1, 02-12-2007 12:32:34  
Just went out to start mine after this rain/ice/snow storm. Battery is very weak so not enough "juice" to start with the shifter, so i grabbed the manual crank and she fired right up on the second pull.



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