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Sam-Ga

01-29-2007 18:35:39




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How do I get the sleeves out of a Z-120 engine?




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Jim in OH

01-30-2007 19:54:43




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to Sam-Ga, 01-29-2007 18:35:39  
See $4 puller above.. Jim



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mark from the fort

01-30-2007 09:46:05




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to Sam-Ga, 01-29-2007 18:35:39  
I had a buddy turn me plate out of 1/2 steel--1/4 inch of the thickness fits inside sleeeve and other 1/4 fits exactly outside diameter of sleeve.
I tached a small chain link on the center of the inside diameter face. I also tached an old 1" i.d. nut on the center of the opposite side of plate. I place a short rubber bungy chord in the chain loop and when plate is installed-stretch the other end of bungy up through sleeve and hood to any head bolt. -this keeps plate in place.
I use a blunt tip on by air chisel and place it inside the welded on "nut"-this keeps from slipping off-and hammer with a soft slow tempo.
only takes a minute max to break loose and start creeping up. I stop immediately and remove the rest of the way by hand. Pretty slick. It used to drive me nuts trying to hold plate in place without the bungy strap. Hope this helps someone.
P.S. it is already patended. Ha Ha

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mike a. tenn.

01-30-2007 05:56:42




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to Sam-Ga, 01-29-2007 18:35:39  
sam...look on page 5 of this forum at the post "z129 sleeve removal"...the description of the homemade sleeve puller is there along with some tip about pulling sleeves. i know i saw a pictire of a home made sleeve puller somewhere, but couldn't find it.

-mike



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mike a. tenn.

01-30-2007 02:34:14




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to Sam-Ga, 01-29-2007 18:35:39  
sam...i know of two ways to do this. the first one is the way i did it which was to use a hardwood block and a hammer and just start banging away at the bottom edges of the sleeves. it worked, but it is kind of a job especially while laying under the tractor like i was. if your engine is "on the bench" it's much easier.

the second way i learned about in this forum and you might be able to go back thru the past couple weeks and find it. someone posted a picture of a home-made sleeve puller made with a section of pipe with an inside diameter just slightly larger than the sleeve, a piece of all-thread, and some kind of plates at the top of the pipe and under the sleeves so that when you tightened a nut on the all thread it pulled the sleeve inside the pipe. i wish i'd have seen this set up before i did mine, it looked like the way to go to me. maybe whoever posted that picture will re-post it for you, or you could try searching back thru the forums. good luck.

-mike

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gshadel

01-30-2007 06:15:00




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to mike a. tenn., 01-30-2007 02:34:14  
sleeve removal tactics;
1. beat the sleeves out from the bottom with a hardwood stick or 1X2 to clear the crank, & as big a mallet as you can swing while laying on your back. That works, but can be rather exhausting, and you risk beating your brains out when the hammer bounces back, gravity is NOT working in your favor.
2. Use a ~5#-10# slide hammer from the top, with a plate across the bottom of the sleeve. Don't waste your time with one of those smaller 2# bodyworking slide hammers. The bottom plate has to be the same diameter as the sleeve O.D., no larger, or it will catch on the bottom of the block. Plate doesn't have to be an actual circle, it could just be a piece of flat stock, maybe 1/4" thick, 1 1/2" or so wide, and ground on the ends to have the same arc as the sleeve diameter.
3. use a bottle jack, with that stick of wood and jack them out of the bottom of the block. If the sleeves are stuck tight, you may lift the front end of the tractor off the ground rather than push the sleeves out though. But it's easy & worth a try. Combined with #2 above, it usually works with enough effort.
4. If you have an air compressor & a handheld air hammer/chisel, that will pop the sleeves right out... but be VERY careful, one slip and you could easily damage your block or crank. Turn your air pressure down and work your way up so you have better control of the air hammer. Use the appropriate tool or extensions in the hammer so you are punching, rather than chiseling & you are well clear of the crank. Use a plate across the bottom of the sleeve and hammer on that, that way you get even load on the sleeve, and less likely to slip and damage the block.
5. make a puller with a piece of 3" pipe & allthread, and a couple pieces of metal plate for the top & under the sleeve. Pic below is of mine. I used stainless pipe, 'cus that's what I had. Make sure the ends are cut square and smooth so you don't damage the deck when you pull the sleeves. Mine was just longer than the sleeve so the sleeve could be pulled up into the pipe. That shouldn't be necessary, once the sleeves are popped loose from 50 years of rust/sludge & dried out O-rings that are holding them in place, they should pull right out by hand.

Don't forget the sleeves have to be removed up out the top of the block. They have a lip & can't be pushed down thru the bottom of the block. Don't mess around with heating-up or torching the sleeve to try to loosen them up. Shouldn't be necessary, and you risk cracking the block if you get carried away. The metal casting between the cylinders on the top of the block is actually fairly thin and easy to crack if you get too physical with it.

George

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mike a. tenn.

01-30-2007 06:28:12




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 Re: z-120 sleeves in reply to gshadel, 01-30-2007 06:15:00  
THERE'S the pic of that sleeve puller i saw. thanks george...this time i'm printing a copy of it and putting it in with my shop manuals.

-mike



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