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Z129 sleeve removal

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djwalt

01-10-2007 05:34:09




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How can i get the sleeves out of my Z129 engine so i can replace them ?




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cdmn

01-11-2007 20:35:00




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 05:34:09  
If he's junking the old sleeves, my brother sometimes shrinks them by welding a bead inside from top to bottom. If the piston is still stuck inside, and can't be moved, he physically breaks the sleeve.



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mike a. tenn.

01-10-2007 07:03:36




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 05:34:09  
i replaced the sleeves on my to-20 while on the tractor. i made up a "remover" using a big hammer, and a piece of heavy broom stick with a oak block attached to the end of it. went thru a couple of those blocks before i got them all out....and wore my arms out banging on them. you should have it easier with your block on the bench. good luck and keep pounding...they will come out.



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J Schwiebert

01-10-2007 06:34:55




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 05:34:09  
First of all is the block in the tractor? They are a wet sleeve and will come out quite easily and probaly will come out with a good hardwood block if you have the engine out. Me, I would take the block out to make the job easier and to keep the bottom of the engine cleaner. Of course a sleeve puller works well to. You may be able to borrow one or even make up a simple puller. Questions? J.



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djwalt

01-10-2007 06:55:50




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to J Schwiebert, 01-10-2007 06:34:55  
Yep the block is sitting on a table all stripped awaiting the rebuild... possibly this weekend i can have her runnin again



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gshadel

01-10-2007 10:20:44




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 06:55:50  
dj...,
keep in mind the sleeves HAVE to be removed up thru the top of the block. It has a lip on it & tappered so you can't push it down thru the bottom of the block.

I've seen pictures of sleeve pullers using a 5# slide hammer, with a flat plate on the bottom of the sleeve. The plate needs cut/ground to be the same OD as the sleeve so it will not catch on the bottom of the block.
My old sleeves were super-stuck... judging from the nasty inards of the block, I'd guess a bunch of block sealer type stuff had been run thru it. I nearly beat my brains out trying the big hammer & oak stick method from under the tractor, and the slide hammer method from the top (the manual makes it sound soooo easy). I ended-up making a sleeve puller using a piece of 3" pipe (about the same length as the sleeve) sitting over the sleeve on top the block. I used ~ 1/2" all-thread thru the pipe & sleeve and thru a piece of plate steel on the bottom of the sleeve. Had another piece of plate on top the 3" pipe, with a hole for the threaded rod, and a nut to tighten it down to pull the sleeve. The sleeve pulls right up into the 3" pipe on my Z120, don't know the OD on a Z129 sleeve, I'm gusssing it is about the same. Probably used 1/8" or 3/16 plate, it don't have to be heavy. I torqued down the "sleeve puller" to put some pressure on the sleeve, then wacked the bottom plate with a stick/hammer. Worked like a charm. Once I got started, I had all 4 sleeves out in ~30 minutes. Once the seal is broken on the old sleeve, it should just pull right out of the block. If you do the pipe method, make sure your pipe is cut square and even & no burrs so you get even pressure around the sleeve & don't ding-up the top of the block. The metal web on top the block between the cylinders isn't that heavy. Don't get too heavy handed on the top side of the block or you could potentially crack that web. That's the typical place blocks also crack from overheating or feezing also.

Good luck!

George

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djwalt

01-10-2007 10:18:33




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 06:55:50  
Got the sleeves out but there is cracks between the cylinders on the webbings so i guess that means pinning or welding right ? Talk about crud in there WOW what a nasty 55 years of whatever inside that baby!



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gshadel

01-11-2007 06:17:00




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 10:18:33  
Epoxy won't work in every case, but for some routine, fairly minor block cracks....it works just fine. I have successfully extended the useful life of a cracked block using epoxy. My current TO-20 is a working test-case. I epoxied cracks in the top webbing, and one bottom web back in 2002. I don't baby the engine, do a good amount of B.hogging over fairly rough terrain. The engine is still tight & solid. I work at an adhesives manufacterer that makes urethanes & epoxies, you may be shocked at the applications using modern industrial epoxies now days, an engine block ain't that big a deal. Preparation & using the right epoxy is everything.

Having said all that, if the block has cracks in the bottom webs, you should consider brazing/pinning the block because of the stresses on that portion of the block. Many good rural machine shops can do it, or knows someone that can do it. It is fairly common practice. Top web cracks.. I'd epoxy them. Check out my web site for my experience with epoxy. Email me if you have questions.

George

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mike a. tenn

01-10-2007 12:48:13




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 Re: Z129 sleeve removal in reply to djwalt , 01-10-2007 10:18:33  
sorry to hear about your cracked webbing. i hope you have somke luck fixing them...if you do let me know how you did it. my TO-20 had the same thing and had been welded (braised) by someone before me. used JB weld and permatex sealer to try and make it seal better and it still leaks water into the oil. (my guess is a lot of that 55 years of crud you have might be some type of radiator sealer...mine was full of it. i don't think you can take shortcuts here.

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