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Tractor runs great - for about an hour?!

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jim cancil

12-26-2006 11:00:54




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I have a F-40 with new carb, fresh points, etc..and it runs pretty great for a 1957 tractor. That is; 'till it gets good and warm. It then starts to buck-n-fart under load 'till it becomes difficult to get back to the barn with it?! it acts as if I loose a cylinder every five minutes before it goes no further.

I replaced the obvious things, but wonder if the governor starts to try and flood it, or the timing backs up like a cold weenie...I can't figure? ...and my M-F dealer wasn't able to do anything: they only did the standard static setting.

Perhaps you've seen this before? 'Appreciate the help. I love the tractor, but damn...

jim
Salisbury Maryland

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Ed H.-OH

12-26-2006 19:19:40




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 11:00:54  
Jim, Hello, If all else fails check the valve clearance, Had one diong the same thing, The valves haden't been set in many years, The valves had seated further in the head from wear and close up the clearance,when it gets hot and everything expands it actually holds the intake valves upen a little and it leaks compression into the intake, stopping the normal breathing cycle. Setting the valves cured that one Regards, -ed

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Bob

12-26-2006 13:35:14




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 11:00:54  
LIKELY suspects... Bad coil or bad condensor, also check the point gap, and check for lots of play in the distributor bushings.



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Jerry/MT

12-26-2006 13:04:13




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 11:00:54  
Don't futz with the governor. That is seldom of poor running.

Rather that trying a shotgun approach to finding the difficulty, when the tractor stops next time, quickly pull the center wire out of the distributor and, hold it near a good ground and try a start.
If you have a a FAT, BLUISH WHITE SPARK, the problem is not with the ignition. If you have a weak blue, orangey, or yellowish spark, check the primary ignition circuit very thoroughly. Could be a bad coil, dirty, loose connections, dirty corrodded or maladjusted points,bad resistor (if you have one), bad key switch( yes, key switches go bad, etc. ) I think the best way to check out the primary ignition system is with a voltmeter, if you have have one. With the key switch on,you should have near battery voltage to the coil, points opened or closed, UNLESS you have a reisitor in the circuit. In the case of a resistor, you'll have near battery voltage to the resistor and then 4-5 volts down stream of the resistor to the coil IF THE POINTS ARE CLOSED. If the points are open, you'll have near battery voltage all the way to distributor side of the coil. If the points are closed, the distributor side of the points will be near zero volts. Run the diagnostic tests both ways (points open and points closed). If you can't run them both ways, then do the points closed tests. An easy test of the key switch is to clip a jumper wire across it and if your spark returns, big and bluish white, that's your problem. Make these measurements and record the results. If you don't have an analog vlolt meter., you can get a cheap meter for under $10 and it'll serve you well for trouble shooting.
Personally, I think your problem is a bad coil or restricted fuel delivery but conduct all these check systematically and record the results and find the root cause of your problem. Don't start changing components until you are sure of what you need to change. If you have a hard time interpreting the results of these checks, or don't understand anything I've said,get back here and we'll help you.

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Gerald J.

12-26-2006 11:52:59




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 11:00:54  
When it starts to sputter, pull on the choke. If that smooths it out temporarily, its fuel starvation. With it running an hour, it sounds like the gas tank vent isn't venting. Modern car gas caps don't vent, but vintage tractors depended on the gas cap to do the venting. The other test is when its begun to run badly, loosen the cap. If there's suction holding the cap down or if taking the cap off makes it run smooth in a minute or two, that's the problem.

The coil or condenser could be a problem, then you can test them by pulling a plug wire and holding it so it can spark to the engine block or head. If the spark is thin and yellow, its the condenser, if its just weak its the coil. Usually coils temporarily heal when cooled, condensers may heal but more often they don't.

Gerald J.

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WBinPA

12-26-2006 11:32:12




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 11:00:54  
Several possible causes. Sometimes a coil will act up when warm. The windings expand and open, giving bad spark. Heat the coil while the engine is warm and check the results. I have packed snow on a hot coil to keep it from acting up when I did not have a spare.



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jim cancil

12-26-2006 14:20:07




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to WBinPA, 12-26-2006 11:32:12  
Cool... I copy/pasted all your replies and printed them out to take home. I asked the M-F dealer about the coil last month: he said they're almost always on/off with nothing between...but I'll buy a coil anyway ...that is, after I blow out the breather in the gas cap. That's one of those things you find after you pull the head off to check valve seats and ordering a second new carb..

I've got a V-meter, so now I know what to do with it. Thanks all. I'll let you know what I stumble upon. Thanks again.

Jim

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Bob

12-26-2006 14:34:03




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 Re: Tractor runs great - for about an hour?! in reply to jim cancil, 12-26-2006 14:20:07  
Actually, probably the MOST common coil failure is weak (or NO) spark after 20 or 30 minutes of running, as the coil warms up.



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