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TO-30 is home. Now the fun begins! (pics)

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Jim.UT

10-22-2006 12:51:14




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It doesn't look too bad, does it? Unfortunately I have already discovered some things that need immediate attention:
1. It does not run. Apparently it hasn't been started in several years....ever since my late uncle started having problems with depression.
2. Engine is stuck.
3. Gas tank is empty
4. Contents of gas tank appear to be in the crankcase.

So I'll be ordering a full set of manuals and some parts (tune up parts, wiring harness, carb kit, etc). But before I install any of that, I'll be pouring some ATF in the spark plug holes in an effort to free up the rings and draining the contents of the crankcase. I'll also be here fairly regularly to ask dumb questions.
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Let me know if you have some handy tips I should follow as I get this thing running again. I'm not aiming for a full restoration (for now), I just need it operational ASAP (before the snow flies).

The link below is to the 13 photos I've taken (so far) of this tractor.

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DennisPinOhio

10-23-2006 05:59:58




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 Re: TO-30 is home. Now the fun begins! (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 10-22-2006 12:51:14  
That"s a nice looking old tractor that deserves the work and care you"ll put into it.
Keep us posted on how it progresses. I am particularly interested in how the fuel migrated into the crankcase.That almost seems impossible to me.



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Jim.UT

10-23-2006 12:16:08




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 Re: TO-30 is home. Now the fun begins! (pics) in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-23-2006 05:59:58  
Here's the way I've heard of it happening (this is my first actual experience with this problem):

1. Fuel system is gravity feed so even when the tractor is off the "fuel pump", ie, gravity is still operating.

2. Two things are in place to prevent gravity from draining the tank. One is the shut off valve on the sediment bowl. That one is dependent on the human touch. If no one shuts it off, it's still on. The other is the float valve in the carburetor. If it stick open or gets a piece of crud stuck in there preventing it from closing fully, then gas is gonna continue to flow.

3. If the tank is full enough, and the two valves mentioned in item 2 are both open, fuel will flow until the carb is full. Then it will migrate up past the open throttle butterfly into the manifold. At least one engine valve is sure to be open and so the gas will flow into the cylinders where there are valves open.

4. Finally the fuel seeps past the piston rings into the crankcase.

Believe me, the smell coming off that dipstick is unmistakeable. OLD GAS!!

Another horror story I've heard from the leaky gas valves scenario is that the gas fills up a cylinder but before it can drain into the crankcase someone comes along and tries to start the engine. As the piston comes up on the compression stroke in the cylinder full of gas, it locks up because the gas cannot be compressed the way the air/fuel mixture can. I've heard of people bending con rods and other bad damage from a hydro-lock situation.

So, I always shut off the gas when I'm not using my tractor since I can't always trust the cheapy float valve in the carb.

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Paul in AZ

10-22-2006 17:02:55




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 Re: TO-30 is home. Now the fun begins! (pics) in reply to Jim.UT, 10-22-2006 12:51:14  
Jim,

Your tractor does seem to have pretty well taken care of prior to its being parked for several years. I once bought a TO-30 that was a genuine basket case compared to yours. Part of the fun of this hobby is the challenge and meeting it. So welcome and you will find lots of excellent advice and help on this forum.



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