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TEA control valve again

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Jim W

10-19-2006 07:10:14




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I have a TEA that is quite a mix and match of vintages. It has a newer top cover in that some of the areas are reinforced and it has the larger square headed plugs in the upper ports instead of the Allen head ones, but I had to install the older hydraulic pump with the "head gaskets" to fit around the flange on the transmission.
The pump seems to have great pressure, however once the lift arms are up, I can't get them to lower. I have reached inside and moved the control arm fork as far rearward as it will go, but the pressure is not relieved. It's as if the control valve needs to go back further than it can. Once I disconnect the fork from the valve and pull just the valve back further, the arms drop as they should. With the control arms up, I tried undoing the plug on the bottom port and it shot out under lots of pressure.
Now I am wondering whether the geometry is wrong with the old pump....hmmm I can't recall if the case (the big casting that is like the rear third of the tractor) is new or old. No wait it's old because a new crown gear wouldn't fit in the side.
OK so I have old style case, old style pump, new control fork, new lift cover.
Any hints? This one has been driving me nuts. The control valve itself looks identical to another I have around, and from the thread below, they're all the same anyway.
Last resort, I do have another pump but it's the new style, so I would have to either install head gaskets or gring down the width if the ears that fit between the heads, if you know what I mean.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim

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John (UK)

10-19-2006 09:13:21




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 Re: TEA control valve again in reply to Jim W, 10-19-2006 07:10:14  
Jim, You could also check the inner end of the Quadrant lever where it rubs on the top of the Control Fork, it could be worn away or partly so , that would make it that the Fork would not move the Valve far enough rear-wards. this is the third time this has come up in two days, twice with me and someone else has mentioned it a few posts back, worth a look anyway. we had a spell of these being worn last year too and a couple of Control Forks rusted through.

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John (UK)

10-19-2006 08:41:48




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 Re: TEA control valve again in reply to Jim W, 10-19-2006 07:10:14  
All Pumps interchange, doesn't matter if they have gaskets or "O" rings. You can fit the later type Pump in the older tractor of you just file the wings/ears on the PTO drive slightly. It isn't very much to remove, just the difference between the thickness of the gaskets and the "O" rings. The problem you have is related to the Control Fork, it was changed at the same time the axle was strengthened or just after (325,000 on),they strengthened the Ram Cylinder too at the same time, just what the difference is I can't remember but it is the shape and as you have already found out, it does not move the Control Valve back far enough to allow drop. I would think that if you fit the old Control Fork in the new top it should work, but I have never tried it, but as far as I can see that is all it will be. Those square nuts on the Top Cover, one is for tapping off Hydraulic Power as before but the left one now houses the Relief Valve instead of it being on the Pump, if you still have the Relief Valve on the Pump it is ok, just leave it there or you will need a special short check valve to fit in its place. Whichever Relief Valve is set to the lowest pressure will open first, the new top one is adjustable with shims. Having the two valves is useful if you have a loader fitted as it gives twice the flow capacity through the Relief Valves so it wont be able to build up a back pressure. The Control Valves are all more or less the same, the difference is if they have provision to fit the different types of Oscillator. Filing the "ears" on the PTO gearbox is the approved method of fitting the new Pump in the old housing. You shouldn't have let it start to drive you nuts Jim, you should have emailed me.

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Jim W

10-19-2006 15:10:49




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 Re: TEA control valve again in reply to John (UK), 10-19-2006 08:41:48  
I should have been clearer in my original message about the control fork. It does move the control valve back until it actually hits the lip of the case, so that can't be it. (That's why I started wondering if it was mixed vintages of case/pump etc.)
Still mystified.....
Jim



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John (UK)

10-19-2006 17:36:43




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 Re: TEA control valve again in reply to Jim W, 10-19-2006 15:10:49  
The only other thing I can think about at the moment check the Control Valve Bush, has it moved in the Pump Body, it should be flush with the body to be correct and so that everything lines up. Not often they move but it is possible. .....but I will give it more thought overnight....John



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