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TE 20 Lift Problem

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DennisPinOhio

10-07-2006 12:19:06




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Re: TE 20, 1948, serial number TE28383
I went to pick up a brush hog today. The lift picked it up easily, and being five footer, it�s quite heavy.
Problem: the moment the lift reached its upper limit, it dropped like a ton of bricks! Also, heard some noises from �somewhere inside�, sounding like perhaps some rattling or even grinding (hard to describe this).
How to proceed?
I have a decent manual, but the pictures are of very poor quality. If I have to tear into this, I hope someone will have some good pictures. (JohnUK)? Thanks to all, in advance.

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John (UK)

10-08-2006 02:51:39




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-07-2006 12:19:06  
Dennis, I have sent you some info direct to your address.



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Jerry/MT

10-07-2006 16:48:32




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-07-2006 12:19:06  
Do you have any idea how heavy the hog was? A normal 5 foot cutter should be no sweat for a hydraulic system that's in good shape. Find out how heavy it is. The lift is good to about 750 lbs +/- 50.Have you had any lifting problems before? The first thing I'd do is open up the access cover onthe right side, start it up and try to lift a lighter implement. Look up toward the seat for the lift cylinder and see if it's leaking. A few drops is normal.Look for a lot of fluid indicating a bad piston ring or a cracked cylinder.If that's the case the cover has to come off. Also look around and see if the relief valve is stuck open as evidenced by noise and swirling flow near the pump. I'm sure some more knowledgable people than I will have more suggestions.

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DennisPinOhio

10-08-2006 05:54:16




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem in reply to Jerry/MT, 10-07-2006 16:48:32  
Thanks to both of you for the response. JohnUK has sent information, direct to my email address, which I will open and read next. Will advise steps taken and result(s) so others can learn from tnis experience.



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DennisPinOhio

10-08-2006 14:50:09




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem WARNING in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-08-2006 05:54:16  
Just finished reading a fact sheet e-mailed to me by JohnUK. In it, he refers to the possible use of multigrade (motor) oil in lieu of the recommended GL-1, 90 wt. mineral oil.
A possible down side to using the multigrade oil is that it contains detergents that could possibly loosen up dirt or particulates sitting inside the housing. Circulating these through the hydraulic system could cause damage. So if the entire housing has not been thoroughly cleaned, you could have a problem, such as I am having now with the lift apparatus.
I am not saying this is what happened to my TE 20 lift, but it is worth noting that I never had any lift problems before, and the problem occurred after changing the oil, and refilling with 20w50. I did flush out the system with kerosene, but I am sure it did not remove all of the �junk� in there.
This is a just word to the wise.

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John (UK)

10-12-2006 05:16:16




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem WARNING in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-08-2006 14:50:09  
Hi Dennis, The length of time that the 15W-30 oil has been in your system, it is unlikely that even supposing that it has an excessive amount of sludge in the bottom that it will have loosened in sufficiently. The Multi-grade oil contains very little detergent, it is not like the oil we use in the Diesel engine which has a much greater amount and I would definitely not use that. Even the GL1 oil now contains some detergent, it is not completely detergent free as it was originally. I don't think you can have run the Hydraulics long enough for the detergent in the 15W-30 to have had much effect, if there is anything floating around it will be from disturbing the sludge The chances of it jamming the Relief Valve are very remote because of the High Pressure involved, if you have cleaned the Reservoir out as you say then I can't really see it causing a problem. It may jam the Control Valve as there is no pressure on the suction end and if there was something floating around in the reservoir that is where it would be. This procedure has been done many times and we have never been told of any problems after cleaning. It is highly unlikely that the oil that is causing the problem and I think you may cause an unnecessary "panic" by posting a warning like that until we know just what is actually causing it. You say that the Kerosene you used for washing it out did not come out very dirty, so again it seems unlikely that there is enough sludge in there to cause a problem. We do get them inches deep in sludge and they still work, it is just the chance that some of this may break off the Reservoir walls and get sucked into the Pump and make the Control Valve stick. Did you put your hand into the Reservoir and physically feel what was in the bottom, a good indication of what the state of the Reservoir is in is to see how much sludge is in the Drain Plug. Any sludge in the Transmission is almost impossible to clean out until such a time that it is overhauled and the Cover removed, in the rear wall of the Transmission there are some holes that allows the oil to pass between the Transmission and the Hydraulic Reservoir, but due to the size of them this also restricts the speed at which it can flow, they are also quite a way above the bottom of the Transmission so any sludge on the Transmission is more likely to stay in there than flow through the restrictor holes, this is why the oil takes so long to level out when you refill it, another reason for these is to prevent oil surge when working on hillsides, without these you would finish up with most of the oil in the Transmission section and leaking through the Main Drive Shaft oil seal into the Clutch Housing. So with the Transmission sludge trapped in there and you have said you cleaned out the Reservoir and Rear Axle there can be very little sludge left in there. Have you checked the Control Valve that it is moving freely in and out of it's Bush, unless it does this it can't control the Pressure.

Regards...John

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dave white

10-11-2006 14:29:42




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 Re: TE 20 Lift Problem WARNING in reply to DennisPinOhio, 10-08-2006 14:50:09  
Dennis
I think you may have hit on the problem yourself. I had an issue with my hydraulics and took the pump out, cleaned it, put newseals on a replaced it. I'm not sure you can flush the system out with kerosene that would, in my opinion cause more problems than it solves. There are so many crevices in the chamber that only manual cleaning, especially around the pump, will do the job.

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Dave White
Wakefield UK

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