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TO-35 Clutch

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theinein

09-27-2006 12:21:42




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I bought my 1957 TO-35 last year knowing it needed some work. I have since replaced the crank case rear old seal and started assembling the tractor.

After both halves were bolted together, I wanted to test the clutch linkage before finishing the assembly. Unfortunately, I cannot disengage the clutch using the clutch pedal. Observing this from access plate below clutch housing, I can see that the bearing does not even reach the release levers.

During assembly, I noticed that the release levers were being depressed as I tightened the clutch to the the flywheel. I suspect that I must leave some clearance between the clutch assembly and the flywheel. Is this correct? Note that I did not disassemble the clutch assembly during this process, so the problem is not related to a clutch R&R.

Additional problem: transmission was shifting easily until it stuck in gear (1st?). I can no longer shift gears with the R,1-3 lever. I will probably need to remove the steering column to resolve this, but any hints would be appreciated.

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theinein

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Tony C.

09-29-2006 06:39:01




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:21:42  
Did you read the stuff on this site about putting it back together. The 2-stage clutch is finicky, you have to get it right so it works the way it should.

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theinein

10-02-2006 10:44:17




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to Tony C., 09-29-2006 06:39:01  
Tony,

Thanks for the link... I will read a little later. I re-split and assembled the tractor last week and now the clutch is working. I didn't see any warpage on the PTO disc, so I have to assume that I had it right the first time around. My guess is that I simply wasn't applying enough force to the clutch pedal the first time around :{ Since this is my first time doing any mechanical work, I'm going to forgive myself for the stupid mistake... this time.

Now, most everything is together, but I want to double check the wiring before starting it up. I missed the end of month deadline I set, but it is nearly driveable, so again, I will forgive myself :)

Thanks for all the useful replies. I found this very encouraging.

Cheers,
theinein

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cali tractor

09-27-2006 18:05:55




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:21:42  
A common cause of this with a dual clutch tractor is when the tractor was rolled back together, the PTO disc (the disc held captive in the pressure plate) was not aligned perfect and has become "dished". When stabbing the tractor you must not ever use the bolts to pull the 2 halves together (even just a quarter inch).

The 2 halves must come together smooth, usualy with a "clunk" sound and completely together.

Look at the splines of the disc. Do you see any marks of mis-alignment?

You can buy just a PTO disc. You would not have to buy the entire pressure plate.

Hope this helps!

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theinein

09-28-2006 08:19:25




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to cali tractor, 09-27-2006 18:05:55  
cali,

Thanks. I'm at work now and can't look at the splines now. I suspect this is what happened. I did in fact roll the halves together with a little help - some clamps :-0

Even at the time, this practice seemed a little, um, foolish.

When this happens, is the PTO disc still serviceable? Would I notice other signs of stress, like breakage?

One final question (for now at least): when I re-split the tractor, I noticed there was a coating of black on the release levers. It looks like carbon or something. If my bad memory is correct, they were clean before I bolted the halves together. Any insights into this?

Cheers,
theinein

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cali tractor

09-28-2006 19:25:30




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to theinein, 09-28-2006 08:19:25  
Carbon: No worry it is just clutch debris.
The PTO disc will not be servicable if dished. Should run $40 for a new one. If the clutch is worn mutch, its $350 for everything (pressure plate, main disc, and bearings).

Let me know what you find when you have it out.



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Daniel Nelson

09-27-2006 14:14:03




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:21:42  
I have a TO35 which occasionally sticks in reverse. You do not necessarily have to remove the top cover to fix it. You can sometimes just remove the oil fill plug and slide the ring gears back and forth with a screw driver. That is at least worth a try if it happens again.

Dan



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theinein

09-28-2006 08:09:10




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to Daniel Nelson, 09-27-2006 14:14:03  
Dan,

Thanks for the tip. The cover is already off at this point - I'm impatient ;). I will remember this tip if it happens again.

Greg



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Farmer(Ga)

09-27-2006 13:32:48




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:21:42  

theinein,google Big Dean, his website has a lot of good info there, I think on page two it tells how to get the gears unstuck without taking the top cover off,I'm new here and just got a TO35 and learing, Lots of good and knowledgeable folks here. James



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theinein

09-27-2006 12:28:19




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch (Update) in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:21:42  
Hi,


The original post should have gone out two days before.

Last night, I split the tractor again. I was told I had a single clutch when I bought it. Foolishly, I assumed this to be the case until last night when I noticed the primary and secondary discs...

We are trying to figure out what the problem is, but we can't until I figure how the clutch assembly works. The dual clutch is a little more complicated and I am not a mechanic.

Again, any advice?

P.S. I also removed the steering column/transmission cover. I will see if it sticks in gear when I've reassembled again.

Cheers,
theinein

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John (UK)

09-28-2006 10:14:04




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch (Update) in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:28:19  
The release bearing presses onto the three clutch levers, this operates the wheel drive clutch, if you have had the clutch apart you may well have all the levers set incorrectly, the height above the flywheel face has to be correct or it wont work, there is too little movement to have errors. The pto clutch is set on the three setscrews in the centre of the clutch under the top cover and the separator plate. They should be adjusted to give a clearance of .090"initially but you may very well have to reduce this due to wear in the clutch assy, if the PTO clutch drags or wont disengage then you need to reduce the clearance on the PTO clutch in .005" steps and try it so that you get the PTO clutch working with the largest possible clearance, you should NOT have a clearance of less than .070" as there will then be a danger of the levers catching on the driven plate and smashing something. The main clutch MUST be set using a NEW plate or spacers that equal the thickness of a new plate you wont be able to get it right unless you do this. If you have problems or questions about all this email me at:- fergusontractors(at)tiscali.co.uk there are NO shortcuts to this procedure I assure you it has to be done correctly or don't bother doing it, it will be cheaper that way.

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gerard

09-27-2006 15:02:46




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch (Update) in reply to theinein, 09-27-2006 12:28:19  
You"re too hasty. From your first post, it sounds like all you needed to do was adjust the clutch at the pedal.
If you"ve had the dual clutch apart (which doesn"t seem like it, judging from the fact you didn"t know it had 2 plates) you need John UK"s info to reinstall.



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theinein

09-28-2006 08:13:08




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 Re: TO-35 Clutch (Update) in reply to gerard, 09-27-2006 15:02:46  
Gerard,

Yes, I'm too hasty. I'm determined to drive this beast out of the garage by the end of the month. It's been sitting there for a year now and I need to light a fire under my butt...

Also, the first thing we tried was adjusting it at the pedal. Before splitting it again, I was looking at the release bearing from the access plate underneath... agiain, it didn't provide a solution.

Thanks for your input.

theinein

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